Busting Benny Beaver: Utah v. OSU 2013

[Utah]

Why is every good play by Our opponent's offense accompanied with Orphey getting his ass beat?

[LA Ute]

Let's get good field position now at least....

[LA Ute]

Our o line seems to have sucked it up.

[Mormon Red Death]

he didnt get the play off... but i noticed something. this is the first time all year I have screamed at the tv to get the ball hiked. Dennis Erickson at least has saved me from that.

[LA Ute]

he didnt get the play off... but i noticed something. this is the first time all year I have screamed at the tv to get the ball hiked. Dennis Erickson at least has saved me from that.

Good point.

[Utah]

Been switching to the ASU/Wisc game during commercials. I know where our defense went. It's now playing for Wisc.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Good run by Poole.

[LA Ute]

Been switching to the ASU/Wisc game during commercials. I know where our defense went. It's now playing for Wisc.

Am I right to be a bit underwhelmed by Kalani Sitake's performance as DC?

[OrangeUte]

Travis Wilson wants this!

[Jarid in Cedar]

Great run after catch by Radley! Man, can we just get the lead?

[Mormon Red Death]

We need a turnover

[Jarid in Cedar]

Am I right to be a bit underwhelmed by Kalani Sitake's performance as DC?


Yes

[Utah]

Am I right to be a bit underwhelmed by Kalani Sitake's performance as DC?

Absolutely. He has been very disappointing.

[LA Ute]

Now the D needs to play inspired.

[DrumNFeather]

How do you not love Lucky Radley?

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[OrangeUte]

Now the D needs to play inspired.

Turnover - for real or on downs. Either is fine.

[OrangeUte]

We need to kick deep.

[Mormon Red Death]

another 3rd and long

[LA Ute]

Pressure on Mannion! Reilly!

[OrangeUte]

Good pressure. Don't give it up here!

[Utah]

I HATE Sitake and Shaw.

[LA Ute]

We can hold them to a FG here.

[LA Ute]

Almost a sack! Now let's get a real one.

[OrangeUte]

I hate these guys in 3rd downs.

[Utah]

I apologize. Hate is a strong word. Strongly dislike their ability to run a defense.

[LA Ute]

We are in good shape. I like our chances.

[OrangeUte]

Buck naked underwear? That commercial was awesome.

[Jarid in Cedar]

IF we get the lead, last team with the ball wins.

[SeattleUte]

Whatever the outcome of this game, I think we finally have ourselves a real Pac 12 caliber qb. That feels pretty good. (He's made some mistakes, but he's 19 and he's the reason we're in this game. Aside from 2 INTs his stats are big.) Agreed?

[Jarid in Cedar]

3 INT's. He slipped just as he let go. BALLS!

[USS Utah]

Fire Sitake!

Fire Shaw!

[mpfunk]

Whatever the outcome of this game, I think we finally have ourselves a real Pac 12 caliber qb. That feels pretty good. (He's made some mistakes, but he's 19 and he's the reason we're in this game. Aside from 2 INTs his stats are big.) Agreed?

Wilson has thrown 3 picks against a shitty team that lost to a FCS team, I'm not so sure at this point we have ourselves a Pac 12 caliber QB. I hope you are right.

[Utah]

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Dres is not a gamer. He has to make a play sometime, even if it knocking a ball down. Get the offensive PI. Don't let him INT that ball. Dres is DVC. Tons of talent...

[SeattleUte]

fuck

[LA Ute]

I apologize. Hate is a strong word. Strongly dislike their ability to run a defense.

They're just ineffective. We haven't seen much nasty, dominating D under them.

Whoops, another pick. Bad decision by Travis. We need the D to save us. Wish we had a D we could have confidence in.

[OrangeUte]

3rd downs. Killing us.

[Utah]

Wilson has thrown 3 picks against a shitty team that lost to a FCS team, I'm not so sure at this point we have ourselves a Pac 12 caliber QB. I hope you are right.

Two of those picks are on Dres.

[mpfunk]

What the hell? They have been letting contact go all fucking game and now they call that?

[DrumNFeather]

Garbage

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[Utah]

I wish Orphey had gone to BYU. He SUCKS. Every highlight, he is getting his ass beat.

[mpfunk]

Two of those picks are on Dres.

Could Dres have done more, of course, but the passes were bad passes and the picks are on Wilson.

[Utah]

Could Dres have done more, of course, but the passes were bad passes and the picks are on Wilson.

Sure. A big time WR steps up. Dres never makes that play. Never makes that catch. Never breaks that pass up. He is soft.

This is where not having Scott has KILLED us. What happened to Lewis and Denham?

[USS Utah]

Dear refs,

All I want from you is consistency. If you call it on one team, call it on the other. If you don't call it in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters, don't call it in the 4th!

Regards,
USS Utah

[LA Ute]

Orphey not exactly a bright spot tonight. I'd feel better about the DBs if our coach had done something besides practice law for 12 years or so before joining the staff. Or if he had ever coached at any collegiate level, anywhere, before being put in charge of our DBs.

[OrangeUte]

Glad to see his hands are moving.

[Utah]

Orphey is terrible.

Whitt keeps talking about how recruiting/commits are better than ever...when are those guys going to play?

[LA Ute]

Orphey is terrible.

Whitt keeps talking about how recruiting/commits are better than ever...when are those guys going to play?

Seems like the DB play has actually deteriorated for Utah in the PAC12.

[Utah]

Sometimes you get a makeup call.

[LA Ute]

Sometimes you get a makeup call.

:D....

[Jarid in Cedar]

Seems like the DB play has actually deteriorated for Utah in the PAC12.


Combination of better opposing QB-WR and less talent.

[mpfunk]

Go 86 yards and everything is great.

[Utah]

And that's how you punch back.

[LA Ute]

Bubba!

[OrangeUte]

Great blocking by Murphy.

[LA Ute]

Negative comment: Our DBs still haven't had a pick this season.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Keep the drive going score quickly, because we are going to need the ball one more time.

[Utah]

Combination of better opposing QB-WR and less talent.

Shouldn't a BCS team that has the third most DB's in the NFL in the country be able to get better players in?

[Utah]

I'm impressed with Wilson's ability to make reads.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Shouldn't a BCS team that has the third most DB's in the NFL in the country be able to get better players in?


I don't disagree, but we haven't had a lock down CB since Burton left early.

[OrangeUte]

Come on defense!!! Don't let Wilson down!!!!

[mpfunk]

Nice to potentially finally have a lead in this game. I really hope this is upheld, as I still have no faith in our ability to get 1 yard at the goaline.

Time to step up defense.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Travis WILSON!

[OrangeUte]

Having 3 timeouts left is huge for us.

[LA Ute]

Defense has to nut up here.

[Utah]

Having 3 timeouts left is huge for us.

This. Thank goodness for Erickson.

[LA Ute]

Let's see who the heroes are in this game.

[Utah]

Play of the game here. Watch the screen.

[mpfunk]

Thank you defense for stepping up and making a stop.

Sorry, complimented the defense too soon. Unable to stop on 4th down and stupid penalty.

[Jarid in Cedar]

And McGill finally makes a play!

[OrangeUte]

I called Mullaney as a threat.

[mpfunk]

We are going to lose. There goes any chance at bowl eligibility.

[Utah]

Two big PF's on #8.

Shaw should be fired after this game.

[OrangeUte]

Our defense is not big on important down.

[LA Ute]

Two big PF's on #8.

Shaw should be fired after this game.

Very very stupid.

[mpfunk]

Two big PF's on #8.

Shaw should be fired after this game.

Shaw should have never been hired. Not sure how being an ambulance chaser makes you qualified to be a Pac-12 assistant coach.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Good hell....

[Utah]

Like I said, Shaw has no business in this business.

[mpfunk]

Shit.

Bad news. We aren't making a bowl game.

Good news, Hill isn't nearly as good of a QB as Manning and no one on BYU is as good of a receiver as Cooks.

Here is hoping we can at the very least beat BYU next week. What a huge disappointment. Our defense sucks ass.

[DrumNFeather]

Cooks is a baller

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[LA Ute]

They sure like to work that side of the field. Who's our weak link over there? Porter?

[Mormon Red Death]

made possible due to a personal foul that we dont even know what happened

[OrangeUte]

Gotta pray for overtime now.

[GarthUte]

Who is the dumbass who committed the selfish, thuggish, idiotic personal foul? Should the Utes not be able to get the win, the loss is on that asshole.

[Utah]

made possible due to a personal foul that we dont even know what happened

14 pts because of Orchard. 14 pts.

[LA Ute]

I guess DE saw something and thinks that Poole play would work

[Jarid in Cedar]

What a game.

[LA Ute]

Well Travis is taking what they give him.

[Brian]

Mancrush Travis Wilson

[LA Ute]

Wow.

[Utah]

If I'm Whitt, I put Hill back on the CB's immediately. Let Erickson handle the RB's. make Shaw a recruiting coordinator or something.

[Mormon Red Death]

14 pts because of Orchard. 14 pts.
how do you know it was him? they never even told us or showed us what happened.

[Utah]

how do you know it was him? they never even told us or showed us what happened.

The ref said it was on #8. In the replay, you can see him and an OSU player still tussling at the end of the play.

[LA Ute]

how do you know it was him? they never even told us or showed us what happened.

I thought the ref called #8.

[Utah]

This is where the MUSS needs to step up.

[OrangeUte]

mancrush travis wilson

this!

[OrangeUte]

Dammit I wish I was at res right now! This game is incredible!

[LA Ute]

This is where the MUSS needs to step up.

OSU will be in the NEZ. Maybe we'll get a false start out of that noise.

[Utah]

What I don't get is why is our OL so terrible early, then how do we do so well running late? The USU game and now today. Crazy.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Not liking the play calling right here. Too many 3rd and long.

[LA Ute]

Looks like Aiono is in now, Jarid.

[mpfunk]

Not liking the play calling right here. Too many 3rd and long.

Well shit. Not sure why we go away from what is working. Not liking having to rely on our defense against Mannion.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Ugh. At least we got the FG.

[Utah]

Game. OSU will do three fades to the endzone.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Just how we started the game. Awesome. Don't think we hold.


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[LA Ute]

Once again we need inspired D. I hope they have it in them.

[DrumNFeather]

Ugh. At least we got the FG.

Ludwig-esk play calling

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[LA Ute]

We should have thrown on 1st down too.

[mpfunk]

Once again we need inspired D. I hope they have it in them.

They sure weren't inspired on the 1st play.

[mpfunk]

Fuck.

It sure would have been nice to play in a bowl this year, but it isn't happening.

[Utah]

Who gave up the TD?

FUCKIN ORPHEY.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Who gave up the TD?

FUCKIN ORPHEY.

Blame Orphey all you want. But did we touch Mannion more than once? Dude had all night, all night. So many suspect pieces to the defense.


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[LA Ute]

They sure weren't inspired on the 1st play.

They didn't have it in them. It's somehow fitting that the final TD went through the hands of one of our DBs!

[Mormon Red Death]

well now we have to beat byu if we want to go to a bowl

[Utah]

We have Hill on the coaching staff. Why isn't he coaching the CB's. we did great with him there. Why did we move him to RB's to bring Shaw in?

Orphey beat, Walker can't catch..

[Mormon Red Death]

oregon st punted once

[OrangeUte]

At least we don't go down easy. That was a hard fought game. We need to put it in the rear view mirror.

[mpfunk]

BYU - W (Yes I'm going to be optimistic about this game)
UCLA - L
Stanford - L
Arizona - L
USC - L
ASU - L
Oregon - L
Washington St - W
Colorado - W

5-7.

Whittingham gets 5 years in the Pac-12 to ensure he has 4 full recruiting cycles, but I'm not optimistic he is the right guy for the job. We just lost to a bad team again.

[Utah]

Blame Orphey all you want. But did we touch Mannion more than once? Dude had all night, all night. So many suspect pieces to the defense.


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I did and I will. He is terrible. USU abused him. Weber attacked him on their deep ball. OSU went to him every chance they could.

He isn't the only problem. Orchard with two PF's that lead to TD's. Dres not fighting for the ball, leading to INT's. Our OL/DL is pathetic.

Another year later, and this is the same crap. At least we are in games this year, thanks to Wilson...I guess.

[DrumNFeather]

Some good overreaction theater here. Whit needs to coach this team up. We definitely didn't dial up enough pressure tonight...and the overtime play calling was just awful.

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[LA Ute]

well now we have to beat byu if we want to go to a bowl

I think we can do that, since we won't have to rely on our defensive secondary to stop a passing game or catch balls that hit them in the hands.

[Utah]

Why does Kyle gets so many passes? Five OC's in five years. No QB to back up Wynn. Puts in Sitake at DC, the defense has gotten worse every year since. BJ at OC. Sharif at DB coach. Finn and the OL problems. We are told our recruiting is better, but we have a RS Fresh and two JC Guys at CB (shouldn't we have two Soph/Jr by now).

Since Andersen left, has Whitt made a good decision?

[SoCalPat]

BYU - W (Yes I'm going to be optimistic about this game)
UCLA - L
Stanford - L
Arizona - L
USC - L
ASU - L
Oregon - L
Washington St - W
Colorado - W

5-7.

Whittingham gets 5 years in the Pac-12 to ensure he has 4 full recruiting cycles, but I'm not optimistic he is the right guy for the job. We just lost to a bad team again.

Sweet Christ already ...

[OrangeUte]

3 point loss in a -3 turnover margin game speaks highly of our offense.

Our defense is not good on big downs.

[Utah]

We are putting CB's in the NFL like USC does QB's. so what does Whitt do? Moves Hill from CB coach to RB and brings in a guy with no coaching experience (and it shows).

[OrangeUte]

Sweet Christ already ...

Hahaha!

[SoCalPat]

oregon st punted once

Quadruple that number, and you're spot on.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Disappointing. Time to go to bed. Some serious issues on the defensive side of the ball, and I don't think it is all about the players. The only bright spot on that side of the ball is our favorite whipping posts, the LB's. Norris and Whittingham both had good games. Reilly had a solid game, but was beat several times in coverage by the height of their TE's.

[UtahDan]

Some good overreaction theater here. Whit needs to coach this team up. We definitely didn't dial up enough pressure tonight...and the overtime play calling was just awful.

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Glad we have a patsy next week to help us get right for the rest of conference play.

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[Utah]

We look just as bad as we have the last two years. In other lands of irony:

What if Wisc misses a FG for the win? Wow. Anderson can't win a close game to save his life.

[OrangeUte]

443 to 279. That's the difference in the passing yardage. A lot of yardage given up on huge plays. 16+ yards per reception. That's got to be tightened up. I am listening to the post game show to see what kwhit has to say.

[SoCalPat]

FS1 needs to apologize to everyone who watched that game. One of the most wretchedly-produced games I've ever seen on TV. Sideline reporters talking over officials announcing penalties. Bolerjack frequently unable to describe the play on the field and coming up with stupid cliches ("Did Oregon State score too early?" ... that's stupid fanboi shit that coaches and players don't worry about with over two minutes to go) and incorrect interpretations of the rules (On Wilson's second rushing touchdown and during the review, Boler wondered aloud if the ball crossed the outside of the pylon, an irrelevant matter since the goal line, with relation to the ball, is never-ending. The ball can cross the goal line somewhere around Fort Douglas, but if your feet last touched the ground in the field of play, it's six points).

No identification of the Utah special teams player who got whistled for the personal foul. No video of the second Orchard personal foul penalty. Even Joey Harrington, who was the only person on the broadcast who earned his paycheck, flat out blew it criticizing the Mannion intentional grounding call, which was as by-the-book as it gets.

[Utah]

How was the intentional grounding penalty correct. He threw it at the feet of his TE?

[SoCalPat]

Disappointing. Time to go to bed. Some serious issues on the defensive side of the ball, and I don't think it is all about the players. The only bright spot on that side of the ball is our favorite whipping posts, the LB's. Norris and Whittingham both had good games. Reilly had a solid game, but was beat several times in coverage by the height of their TE's.

Reilly had a shit game. For someone who's touted as a first-team P-12 selection and high NFL draft choice, all we needed from Reilly in this game was a sack or forced fumble. With our issues in the back seven, having our best defensive player grading out as "solid" is unacceptable. He needs to be dominant in flashes or key moments. And outside of keeping contain on Cooks on the fly sweep early fourth that went for a 4-yard loss, I didn't hear Reilly's name called all night.

[SoCalPat]

How was the intentional grounding penalty correct. He threw it at the feet of his TE?

If you call five yards behind the TE "at his feet" you might have a point.

Mannion threw the ball away in order to avoid running and/or taking a loss or hit. He was not in any imminent danger of losing yardage, so he ended the play by grounding the ball. He didn't come close to throwing the ball in the vicinity of a receiver -- his TE was running AWAY from the spot Manning threw it.

[Mormon Red Death]

FS1 needs to apologize to everyone who watched that game. One of the most wretchedly-produced games I've ever seen on TV. Sideline reporters talking over officials announcing penalties. Bolerjack frequently unable to describe the play on the field and coming up with stupid cliches ("Did Oregon State score too early?" ... that's stupid fanboi shit that coaches and players don't worry about with over two minutes to go) and incorrect interpretations of the rules (On Wilson's second rushing touchdown and during the review, Boler wondered aloud if the ball crossed the outside of the pylon, an irrelevant matter since the goal line, with relation to the ball, is never-ending. The ball can cross the goal line somewhere around Fort Douglas, but if your feet last touched the ground in the field of play, it's six points).

No identification of the Utah special teams player who got whistled for the personal foul. No video of the second Orchard personal foul penalty. Even Joey Harrington, who was the only person on the broadcast who earned his paycheck, flat out blew it criticizing the Mannion intentional grounding call, which was as by-the-book as it gets.

dont forget all tbe "back of the endzone" camera shots on the kickoffs.

[USS Utah]

Why does Kyle gets so many passes?

Since Andersen left, has Whitt made a good decision?

He hired Dennis Erickson.

[Utah]

He hired Dennis Erickson.

Terrific decision. His next one needs to be putting Hill back over the CB's.

[USS Utah]

The only bright spot for the defense was against the run. OSU had 48 yards on 28 rushes, a 1.7 ypc avg.

This is for those of you who think BYU is going to run all over Utah next week.

[Utah]

One thing that bothered me the whole game was the fact that we were losing, and we were losing because our secondary is terrible, and yet Rowe was yapping his mouth off after every play like be was trying out for a spot on BYU.

Dude, your unit sucks. Shut up and play better.

[SoCalPat]

dont forget all tbe "back of the endzone" camera shots on the kickoffs.

Exactly. If the kickoff is returned, you're just going to return to your traditional sideline shot anyway.

[SoCalPat]

I know there's a bit of a dick-waving contest between the NEZ and the MUSS with regard to which section is louder, but we chose to defend the NEZ instead of the SEZ and where the MUSS is at in overtime. Someone needs to ask Kyle if he really believes the NEZ is louder, or at least ask him to explain his rationale behind choosing the north end of the field in overtime. Quite frankly, I was surprise we chose that end of the stadium to defend.

[SoCalPat]

The only bright spot for the defense was against the run. OSU had 48 yards on 28 rushes, a 1.7 ypc avg.

This is for those of you who think BYU is going to run all over Utah next week.

That's a hollow consolation prize. OSU traveled with several linemen that weren't pegged to make any conference roadies this year, and they were already weak at RB before Storm Woods left the game. Yet they protected Mannion especially well. I'd call OSU's O-line vs. our D-line a draw at best.

[OrangeUte]

That's a hollow consolation prize. OSU traveled with several linemen that weren't pegged to make any conference roadies this year, and they were already weak at RB before Storm Woods left the game. Yet they protected Mannion especially well. I'd call OSU's O-line vs. our D-line a draw at best.

Definitely. At best.

One sack. Not many hurries. I think it's a clear win for OSU.

I still can't believe we were -3 in turnovers in a game where we gave up 443 pass yards and we only lost by 3. Our offense is real this year. But, we cannot come out flat like today. We don't seem to have the kind of defense that will win games for us.

[SoCalPat]

First OT loss at home in school history. Utah was 3-0 to that point (UTEP 1998, AFA 2009, Pittsburgh 2010). FS1 was able to give us basic OT rules that every fan has had sledgehammered into their brain, but couldn't give us a thing on each school's OT history.

[sancho]

Well, I can't sleep yet. Reliving 4th and 9, the flea flicker, and the two point conversion in my head.

We said all week that pressure on Mannion was the key to the game. We didn't get the pressure.

Bright side - this game is the first time in years that we punished a team for blitzing.

[SoCalPat]

Well, I can't sleep yet. Reliving 4th and 9, the flea flicker, and the two point conversion in my head.

We said all week that pressure on Mannion was the key to the game. We didn't get the pressure.

Bright side - this game is the first time in years that we punished a team for blitzing.

Erickson earned his paycheck tonight. Sitake should give his back.

[USS Utah]

More bright spots on offense.

260 yards rushing on 39 carries, 6.7 ypc avg.

Wilson: 13 carries for 142 yards, 10.9 ypc avg, 35 long, 3 TDs
Poole: 25 carries for 117 yards, 4.7 ypc avg, 28 long, 1 TD

Passing game:
Wilson: 19 of 33 for 279 yards, 57.6%, 2 TDs, 3 INTs, 130.4 rating
Dres: 4 rec. for 101 yards, 26.3 ypc avg, 49 long 1 TD
Poole 7 rec. for 70 yards, 10.0 ypc avg, 23 long

Total yards:
Wilson: 421
Poole: 187

[Devildog]

Playing not to lose... sucks. We should be in it to win it. We were too conservative.

Oregon State took big chances. 4th and inches and they run a throw-back to the quarterback all the way down the field.

I give those guys credit... they threw everything at winning.

Damn... 3 interceptions and 12 yards total offense in the first quarter and we end up rolling into the final seconds of this game with a chance to win outright.

[Jarid in Cedar]

The anticipation of this game is starting become unbearable. The late start just adds to the build up. Here are the keys to the game as I can see them.

1. Sean Mannion and Brandin Cook against the Ute Secondary.

Mannion has been as prolific passer as there is in the nation. He is averaging just shy of 400 yards/game on the season and is completing nearly 80% on the season, albeit against questionable competition. The Ute secondary was shaky against USU giving up about 350 yards to the Aggies. They tightened things up last week, but how much can you gauge against the Wildcats. Utah will likely bracket Cook with Rowe and a corner. I don't see that we will see the Utes assign a specific Cb against Cook( eg. as they would pair Brandon Burton vs the other teams best receiver regardless of formation), unless one of them appears to be having success against him. The remainder of the OSU's passing game is more possession type passes; screens, tight end delay's, etc. So the LB's and Walker will be called upon to lock up that portion of the game plan. Mannion will present different challenges than Keeton did. He will not be a the same threat to extend the play, but throws with excellent anticipation and can fit the ball into tight spots.

2. Tenny Palepoi and LT Tuipulotu against OSU's interior line.

There has been plenty of press about the injuries to the Beaver's front 5. IMO, the biggest development is that the starting center, Isaac Seumalo, has been moved out to RT due to injuries. Josh Mitchell will now be the center. He played the second half of the Hawaii game at center. Their RG, rFr Grant Bays, will be making his first collegiate start. If Tenny and LT can get great push against this trio, and force Mannion to bring his eyes down to avoid the rush, then Orchard and Reilly will have a heyday, as Mannion is not a very mobile quarterback.

3. Utah's Oline vs OSU's front 7

It is time for the Ute line to put up or shut up about how much improved they are over last season. The Beaver's line is somewhat undersized and better pass rushers than they are against the run. If we are going to establish a potent running attack at any time this season, we need to see tomorrow. I want to see a consistent push. I would rather see six 6 yard gains for 36 yards than get five 2 yard gains and a 26 yard gain for 36 yards. We need to be able to run effectively to have success in the conference, and if we don't this game, it will be tough sledding the rest of the year.

4. Travis Wilson vs the OSU secondary

The Beaver's secondary is suspect as is their LB crew in coverage. If the running game can keep the Beaver's DLine honest, Murphy, Anderson, and crew may have another banner day. Their safeties are susceptible to being beat over the top, which should keep their attention on Anderson and Denham. With that, I think Murphy and Tonga will have break out games. The Beaver's are going to have a hard time staying with these two if they try to cover with Linebackers. As long as the offense is not one dimensional, the passing game is going to have its choice of targets all night long.


I hate to label the third game of the season as a must win game, but that is how I feel about this one. If we don't come out on top, it is going to be very difficult for this team to accomplish what we all want to see from them.

Can't sleep. We only won 1 1/2 of these points. I still don't know what to think of our running game. We got such little push. I can't fathom that we had over 250 yards rushing. I need to watch the game again to see what we did different. We don't move defenders off the line very well and depend on making creases that are on the RB to find. It would be nice to make some holes that take some of the decision making out of it. Make a hole that makes you go "well I could have gained 15 through that one".

[U-Ute]

It is late and I am stuck on a train...

First and most importantly, Twitter reports have Woods moving and recovering nicely. He may not spend the night.

After that...

- Our LB's are not fast enough in coverage
- Mannion was nails.
- Crowd noise had no impact the entire night, and it was as loud as I have ever heard it.
- Reverses and throw-back flea flickers: the Beavers came to win.
- Wilson showed me how much heart he has. The kid is a winner
- Where was York?

[wally]

TO margin it what lost this game. Poor defense is just the what kept it close. Our overall defensive talent is clearly worse than last year, however I think that there is potential for improvement. Oddly, I am a little more confident regarding the BYU game after this loss as I think that we will be able to put up some points against their D, which was a concern I have had. I think we will come to play next week. If Whit can dig in and figure out the the defensive woes, I am hopeful that the offense will keep us in games. I am not sure that there is a defensive scheme change that will mitigate the talent shortage all over there. Wilson looks poised to be amazing the next few years. I hope we can place some talent around him then and recruit some more talent to the defense.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

When we scored that last touchdown, I told my wife, "We need to go for two here." She gave me a "Uh huh" with as much enthusiasm as I give my 6 year old after the latest "And it's also a pillow!" commercial.

I know tradition says to kick it and take it to overtime if you're at home. But tradition also told me that Utah was going to play it too conservative. I don't think anyone on here felt that we could stop Mannion at that point. Sure enough...


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[Diehard Ute]

It is late and I am stuck on a train...

First and most importantly, Twitter reports have Woods moving and recovering nicely. He may not spend the night.

After that...

- Our LB's are not fast enough in coverage
- Mannion was nails.
- Crowd noise had no impact the entire night, and it was as loud as I have ever heard it.
- Reverses and throw-back flea flickers: the Beavers came to win.
- Wilson showed me how much heart he has. The kid is a winner
- Where was York?

From Kyle's post game comments, I would guess York isn't working hard. He mentioned several times how hard Poole works in practice and in the game, and that playing time comes from hard work during the week and in the game.

[USS Utah]

- Where was York?

Poole is the man!

[USS Utah]

As discouraged as I am over the defense, I have to admit that OSU has one hell of an offense -- Mannion and Cooks are the real deal.

At least part of the reason for the decline in the defense has been the rise of the offenses in the Pac-12. The opposing offenses in this league just keep getting better, thus the increasing challenge to the defense is almost exponential.

[wuapinmon]

That was a tough loss for yall. I'm looking forward to next week. A good offense against a good defense.

[OrangeUte]

BYU - W (Yes I'm going to be optimistic about this game)
UCLA - L
Stanford - L
Arizona - L
USC - L
ASU - L
Oregon - L
Washington St - W
Colorado - W

5-7.

Whittingham gets 5 years in the Pac-12 to ensure he has 4 full recruiting cycles, but I'm not optimistic he is the right guy for the job. We just lost to a bad team again.

How did I miss this last night?

Arizona and USC are toss up games. We may be underdogs being on the road, but we can compete with either of these teams.

I'm not sold on OSU being a bad team. Clearly our DBs are inexperienced but in rewatching the game, a lot of those big plays by mannion and cooks were by a very good offense.

Mentally the Utes showed a lot of toughness in this game. How they come out on Saturday will let us know if this these guys are going to be able to compete in the PAC this season. Short term memory loss? I sure hope so.

Our young DBs got beat by a great offense but many times were in good position; they just got the short end of the stick. That's not to say they played a great game, but they certainly didn't look like the keystone cops out there. Our DLine's failure to get to Mannion and force him into bad decisions also contributed to the 400+ yard passing game.

[sancho]

Thoughts after "sleeping" on it:

Mannion is probably the best passer we will see this year, but there are plenty of other QBs good enough to shred our defense. Kelly did it to us a year ago, and I expect him to do it again.

We will not see another defense as bad as this one the rest of the way. I loved seeing the galloping giraffe kill them with read-option, but I don't expect it to be that successful again. I also don't see Poole racking up another 200 total yards unless we start opening holes for him. As good as Wilson was, he was unable to get the ball in the right place on any of the big downfield shots we took.

BYU obviously moves into must win territory now.

[LA Ute]

Random thought (not the most important thing but I was wondering): Is it time to start recruiting bigger DBs? I know safeties are ideally bigger and corners are smaller, but it looked like our little corners were getting worked quite a bit by bigger receivers.

OSU also sure loved throwing deep to the left side. Potter? Is that #29's name?

EDIT: Our little corners would do better if the D line could get to the QB regularly,or even occasionally. We can't have games w/o a single sack.

[OrangeUte]

Will someone come up with a clever thread name for the BYU game? I can't come up with anything and am ready to move on from talking about this game.

I'm stymied this morning in creativity and will probably come up with something as bad as Benny Beaver. (Speaking of this, I think LA Ute's horrible thread title had as much to do with the appalling loss as did turnovers etc. just saying)

[LA Ute]

Will someone come up with a clever thread name for the BYU game? I can't come up with anything and am ready to move on from talking about this game.

I'm stymied this morning in creativity and will probably come up with something as bad as Benny Beaver. (Speaking of this, I think LA Ute's horrible thread title had as much to do with the appalling loss as did turnovers etc. just saying)

Well, no one else stepped up. Ingrate.

[OrangeUte]

Well, no one else stepped up. Ingrate.

Moi?

[LA Ute]

Moi?

Yes. See if you ever get another thread title out of me. ;)

[Utah]

Give it a couple hours. Someone will strike gold.

[Utah]

The morning after:

We are 2-1. We didn't lose to Eastern Washington, Wash St, etc. We have a HUGE game coming up. We can still finish Sept 3-1. USC, Arizona, WSU, Col, are winnable games. Maybe UCLA because for some reason they always suck in Utah.

BUT

Our secondary has to get better yesterday. And our OL. If those two groups improve marginally, a bowl is still out there. If they don't...dang.

[Solon]

After sleeping on it, the outlook is rosier than it was last night (for me).

First off, OSU was a preseason ranked team. I know they dropped one to EWU, but EWU was ranked #1 in FCS for a couple of weeks last year and made it to the semifinals of the playoffs (yes, I followed EWU last year. I hate myself at times). OSU has a very good QB (I think Mannion has a shot at the NFL), a crappy defense, and some good skill players. EXACTLY like the Utes. Unsurprisingly, Utah & OSU played a tight game that basically hinged on Mannion having more experience than Wilson (and his 3 INTs, one of which was a pick-6, and another of which led to a TD on the ensuing OSU play). The Utes ARE Oregon State. I don't see that as a negative thing. Ten years ago, we would have been wondering how well the Utes stack up against a run-of-the-mill Pac-10 team. Well, the Utes ARE a run-of-the-mill Pac-12 team. This shows huge progress overall, even if the three plays in OT were a bit anticlimactic.

I think there is a lot of positive to take away from this game.

I think the Utes have improved since Utah State. Wilson looked great running the ball and was generally accurate. I think Erickson called a masterful game, even down to having that final TO in his pocket so he could call a rush for Wilson on 3rd down & goal with time running out. Poole established himself as THE back of record. Kicking game was solid. Finally, that place was rocking last night. This is good for recruiting, fundraising, and suggests that Utah's transition to the Pac-12 is complete. I hope the crowds keep coming.

There are also a lot of negatives. Obviously the defense was a sieve. But this is where Kyle has worked his magic so many times before. The first two drives (where OSU scored 10) looked like the defense was adjusting to Pac-12 speed & effort. I think the unit will continue to improve, but won't be anything more than okay. The Utes still have a shot at a bowl game if they continue to improve. Assuming from the get-go that the Utes were unlikely to contend for the Pac-12 championship (or really even a spot in the conf. championship game), isn't this all we really wanted?

Mark it down. The Utes will beat either USC or one of the Arizona schools.

[GarthUte]

What bothers me most about this loss is the fact that the Utes are now 0-3 in opening PAC12 conference games. Well, that and idiotic penalties committed at times when all the player has to do is not be a dumbass that gives the opposition 15 free yards at a crucial time during the game.

[LA Ute]

What bothers me most about this loss is the fact that the Utes are now 0-3 in opening PAC12 conference games. Well, that and idiotic penalties committed at times when all the player has to do is not be a dumbass that gives the opposition 15 free yards at a crucial time during the game.

Supposedly it was Orchard both times, after the play ended. The second one was especially costly. They got a fresh set of downs out of it when they would have punted otherwise. I hope the young man is spoken to.

[U-Ute]

Poole is the man!

True. Poole was effective when he got into apace, but we could've used someone of York's size up the middle. Especially as a nice change of pace.

[U-Ute]

EDIT: Our little corners would do better if the D line could get to the QB regularly,or even occasionally. We can't have games w/o a single sack.

This. One of the primary underpinnings of our defense is our ability to pressure the QB. Our secondary gets torched when we don't.

Frankly I was not as disappointed in our secondary as most of you. We were in position to make plays on every deep throw and made the tackle when we didn't knock the ball away. The Beaver receivers made a bunch of tough catches.

The most disappointing play for me was was when they got the TD on the screen. The guy ran all the way while the entire secondary stood around and watched.

[sancho]

The 4th and 9 is still killing me. So I looked some stuff up:

OSU converted on a 3rd & 15, 3rd & 12, 3rd & 11, 3rd & 10 three times, and a 3rd & 7. They were 2/2 on 4th down.

Usually, when a team is converting on 3rd it is because they manage to get to 3rd and short. But the Beavers killed us in 3rd and long situations.

It will be tough to avoid starting 0-4 again, but none of the next three conference games is impossible.

[LA Ute]

Some perspective from Hoyo's Revenge:

http://hoyosrevenge.com/2013/09/15/utes-football-oregon-st-post-game-thoughts/

[sancho]

Random thought (not the most important thing but I was wondering): Is it time to start recruiting bigger DBs? I know safeties are ideally bigger and corners are smaller, but it looked like our little corners were getting worked quite a bit by bigger receivers.


Here's the thing. If we have a guy who is 6'+ and fast, we are going to make him a WR. We need that size there to do unto others what OSU did to us last night.

The most important part of defending a team like OSU is getting pressure on the QB, and we failed to do that. You pressure a QB, and all your DB come off looking like Dion Sanders.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

True. Poole was effective when he got into apace, but we could've used someone of York's size up the middle. Especially as a nice change of pace.

We should probably start referring to Williams as our body back. I don't imagine York gets too many more chances.


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[sancho]

Some perspective from Hoyo's Revenge:

http://hoyosrevenge.com/2013/09/15/utes-football-oregon-st-post-game-thoughts/

I do hope the giraffe nickname sticks.

[LA Ute]

I do hope the giraffe nickname sticks.

Yes! I'd heard "Baby Giraffe" but like Angry Giraffe better.

[OrangeUte]

The 4th and 9 is still killing me. So I looked some stuff up:

OSU converted on a 3rd & 15, 3rd & 12, 3rd & 11, 3rd & 10 three times, and a 3rd & 7. They were 2/2 on 4th down.

Usually, when a team is converting on 3rd it is because they manage to get to 3rd and short. But the Beavers killed us in 3rd and long situations.

It will be tough to avoid starting 0-4 again, but none of the next three conference games is impossible.

This perplexes me too. We were terrible in 3rd and 4th w long yardage.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Will someone come up with a clever thread name for the BYU game? I can't come up with anything and am ready to move on from talking about this game.

I'm stymied this morning in creativity and will probably come up with something as bad as Benny Beaver. (Speaking of this, I think LA Ute's horrible thread title had as much to do with the appalling loss as did turnovers etc. just saying)

A couple titles off the top of my head.

Ménage à Twats
The Tri-fetch-a


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Never mind. Looks like LA already got one started.


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[LA Ute]

Never mind. Looks like LA already got one started.


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[Diehard Ute]

This perplexes me too. We were terrible in 3rd and 4th w long yardage.

And I place that blame on our line and LB. 3rd and 4th and long are where a pass rush is most important, and we had none. You can't give a talented quarterback that much time. I don't care how good your secondary is, more than 4 seconds or so without pressure and you're going to get beat.

[justaute]

Exactly. How about "Busted Defense & Coaching"? The plight of our defense isn't anything new. It's been happening since 2009.


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