2016 Presidential Election

[LA Ute]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGzR1anIDw

[LA Ute]

Funny bit from last night's GOP shouting match/debate. Rubio skewered Cruz with the comment that Cruz can't criticize the content of Rubio's Spanish-language interviews because Cruz doesn't even speak Spanish. Cruz responded with this:

"Marco, si quieres ... ahora el mismo, dicelo ahora, en Espanol, si quieres."

That's Gringo Spanglish, with lousy grammar that would make Cruz sound like an American tourist in any Spanish-speaking country. Most people won't notice this.

Interesting article from the WaPo on the many aspects of that little moment:

What that Cruz-Rubio ‘He doesn’t speak Spanish’ thing was about (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/14/what-that-cruz-rubio-he-doesnt-speak-spanish-thing-was-about/)

[jrj84105]

Why didn't Paul Ryan run? I could vote for the beard.

I thought Michelle Bachman was the beard?

[LA Ute]

Marco's my guy;

More Essential Than Ever: GOP Electability (http://www.wsj.com/articles/more-essential-than-ever-gop-electability-1455572580)

"With the makeup of the Supreme Court at stake, viability in the general election is paramount—and only Marco Rubio seems to have it...."

[Applejack]

Marco's my guy;

More Essential Than Ever: GOP Electability (http://www.wsj.com/articles/more-essential-than-ever-gop-electability-1455572580)

"With the makeup of the Supreme Court at stake, viability in the general election is paramount—and only Marco Rubio seems to have it...."

Really? LAUte supports the mormon candidate? Shocking!

[concerned]

Really? LAUte supports the mormon candidate? Shocking!

He's only Mormon for the Nevada caucuses. He's Catholic everywhere else.

[LA Ute]

Really? LAUte supports the mormon candidate? Shocking!

Ha! I'd forgotten about that.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Oh Jeb. Oh Donald.

http://bgr.com/2016/02/16/donald-trump-vs-jeb-bush-website/

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

He's only Mormon for the Nevada caucuses. He's Catholic everywhere else.

Randomly enough, I was googling a work associate who had passed away suddenly several months ago and one of the first things to pop up is a picture of this guy, his brothers and Marco Rubio hanging out together as kids in the 80s.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Just saw this on Facebook posted very seriously by my wife's brother.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160217/de87fbf89dea52c2204c58c982698645.jpg


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[LA Ute]

He's only Mormon for the Nevada caucuses. He's Catholic everywhere else.

Really? Is he talking about his brief period of Mormon-ness?


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[concerned]

Really? Is he talking about his brief period of Mormon-ness?


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I read an article about a month ago that he was playing up his former membership in Nevada, and using his church connections (and those of his extended family) to get support in the caucuses.

[Utah]

He's only Mormon for the Nevada caucuses. He's Catholic everywhere else.

He's a politician. He'll do whatever you want him to do for your vote. Whatever.

[LA Ute]

I read an article about a month ago that he was playing up his former membership in Nevada, and using his church connections (and those of his extended family) to get support in the caucuses.

Good for him, I say.


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[UtahsMrSports]

Oh Jeb. Oh Donald.

http://bgr.com/2016/02/16/donald-trump-vs-jeb-bush-website/

A couple of weeks ago, going to "loser.com" took you to the wikipedia page for Donald Trump. Now it appears that it takes you to Kanye West's wikipedia page.....

I just don't know how anyone running a presidential campaign allows stuff like this to happen.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Really? Is he talking about his brief period of Mormon-ness?


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I read an article about a month ago that he was playing up his former membership in Nevada, and using his church connections (and those of his extended family) to get support in the caucuses.

Personally, I haven't seen or heard any of this. Being a Democrat, maybe I'm just not in the right circles to get exposed to it during the primaries. I haven't heard any election stuff at all during church or among friends.

[LA Ute]

Personally, I haven't seen or heard any of this. Being a Democrat, maybe I'm just not in the right circles to get exposed to it during the primaries. I haven't heard any election stuff at all during church or among friends.

I have never heard anyone say anything about his brief fling with Mormonism, at least in my Republican/Mormon circles. It seems to me that it is generally viewed as a mildly interesting curiosity from his youth.


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[U-Ute]

I have never heard anyone say anything about his brief fling with Mormonism, at least in my Republican/Mormon circles. It seems to me that it is generally viewed as a mildly interesting curiosity from his youth.


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You guys didn't want him anyway.

[LA Ute]

You guys didn't want him anyway.
Right. Even though he recruited us; we didn't recruit him.

[Applejack]

I have never heard anyone say anything about his brief fling with Mormonism, at least in my Republican/Mormon circles. It seems to me that it is generally viewed as a mildly interesting curiosity from his youth.


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If the first mormon president were a disaffected hispanic who was baptized when he was young but is now full-blown Catholic, what an example to the other 5 million inactive, Catholic members all over the world!

[Rocker Ute]

If the first mormon president were a disaffected hispanic who was baptized when he was young but is now full-blown Catholic, what an example to the other 5 million inactive, Catholic members all over the world!

I can just see it in ward council for the Washington DC ward he would live in...

Bishop: "Uh... we just got records in for a 'Marco Rubio' with a note that his previous location was unknown? It says here he moved in on Pennsylvania Avenue? Has anybody met or heard of him?"
(Elder's Quorum President shuffles nervously and unknowingly through a pile of papers).
Relief Society President: "We have tried a few times to bring by some cookies and a 'new move-in packet' but they have some security there or something and... well they were less-than-friendly.."
(Everyone looks at Ward Mission Leader)
Bishop to WML: "Do you think you guys could stop by and see if you can contact him?"
WML: "Wait, who did you say again?"

[Applejack]

I can just see it in ward council for the Washington DC ward he would live in...

Bishop: "Uh... we just got records in for a 'Marco Rubio' with a note that his previous location was unknown? It says here he moved in on Pennsylvania Avenue? Has anybody met or heard of him?"
(Elder's Quorum President shuffles nervously and unknowingly through a pile of papers).
Relief Society President: "We have tried a few times to bring by some cookies and a 'new move-in packet' but they have some security there or something and... well they were less-than-friendly.."
(Everyone looks at Ward Mission Leader)
Bishop to WML: "Do you think you guys could stop by and see if you can contact him?"
WML: "Wait, who did you say again?"

He'd actually be in my ward! I'm sure the CES dude would stand up on the first Sunday in January and say, "We have some new members in our ward. Would brother Mark Rubio please stand up? .........Mark Rubio, is he here? .............. He has been called to be the nursery leader."

[LA Ute]

If the first mormon president were a disaffected hispanic who was baptized when he was young but is now full-blown Catholic, what an example to the other 5 million inactive, Catholic members all over the world!

I think he moved on to being an Evangelical Christian and is back to being Catholic now. This is from Politico so it's more analysis/speculation/prognostication than pure info, but it's interesting:

Marco Rubio’s Crisis of Faith (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/marco-rubios-crisis-of-faith-213553)

[LA Ute]

USA Today national poll shows entire Republican field can beat both Hillary and Bernie (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/17/usa-today-national-poll-republican-field-beats-hillary-and-bernie/).
Against Hillary:
Trump wins 45% to 43%.
Cruz wins 45-44
Rubio wins 46-42

Against Bernie:
Trump wins 44% to 43%.
Cruz loses 42-44
Rubio wins 46-42

These polls mean little unless they're broken down by Electoral College but they're still interesting. After an two-term incumbent in the White House, it's surprising that the Democrats have only Sanders and Clinton in the race. They're terrible candidates. (Trump would be a terrible and frightening president, but he's a good candidate, it seems -- contrary to all intuition, logic, and common sense.)

[Diehard Ute]

USA Today national poll shows entire Republican field can beat both Hillary and Bernie (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/17/usa-today-national-poll-republican-field-beats-hillary-and-bernie/).
Against Hillary:
Trump wins 45% to 43%.
Cruz wins 45-44
Rubio wins 46-42

Against Bernie:
Trump wins 44% to 43%.
Cruz loses 42-44
Rubio wins 46-42

These polls mean little unless they're broken down by Electoral College but they're still interesting. After an two-term incumbent in the White House, it's surprising that the Democrats have only Sanders and Clinton in the race. They're terrible candidates. (Trump would be a terrible and frightening president, but he's a good candidate, it seems -- contrary to all intuition, logic, and common sense.)

There are 0 good candidates.

The next 4 years could be terrifying.

(Cause it's not like we have a congress full of stand up high quality people to fall back on)


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[Rocker Ute]

There are 0 good candidates.

The next 4 years could be terrifying.

(Cause it's not like we have a congress full of stand up high quality people to fall back on)


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Agreed...

Here is my list of preference from most awful to slightly less awful:

Trump
Sanders
Cruz
Rubio
Clinton
Inanimate Carbon Rod

http://honisoit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rod.png

[Applejack]

The only reason I could possibly support Trump for the Republican nomination, is the joy I would derive seeing LAUte do mental gymnastics to rally support for the Donald.

[Diehard Ute]

Agreed...

Here is my list of preference from most awful to slightly less awful:

Trump
Sanders
Cruz
Rubio
Clinton
Inanimate Carbon Rod

http://honisoit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/rod.png

I may vote for my cat.


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[concerned]

Now here is a man of principle and undivided loyalty

http://www.sltrib.com/

[Rocker Ute]

The only reason I could possibly support Trump for the Republican nomination, is the joy I would derive seeing LAUte do mental gymnastics to rally support for the Donald.

I actually can't see LA Ute doing that. As I said before, Donald Trump is the personification of everything I am opposed to in this world and I suspect that is true for LA too.

[Applejack]

I actually can't see LA Ute doing that. As I said before, Donald Trump is the personification of everything I am opposed to in this world and I suspect that is true for LA too.

I suspect that's true. But he's a republican to the very core. Donald J. Trump ftw!

[LA Ute]

The only reason I could possibly support Trump for the Republican nomination, is the joy I would derive seeing LAUte do mental gymnastics to rally support for the Donald.

It's academic because I live in California so my presidential vote doesn't count. (In fact, practically all my votes for anything but city and county offices are basically symbolic only.) I would not vote for Trump. I'd weep for the country if the choice is between him, on one side, and on the other a goofy socialist or an inveterate and brazen liar who believes in nothing but her own power and advancement.

[Rocker Ute]

I'm just bothered that none of you are getting behind my Inanimate Carbon Rod candidate, if not then can we join behind Diehard's Cat?

[Diehard Ute]

Trump is now saying water boarding isn't tough enough

http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/trump-torture-works-waterboarding-not-nearly-tough-enough

Seriously beginning to wonder if it's the late 1930's in his head


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[USS Utah]

I already have my write-in candidate picked out. I have had him picked out for months now.

[Applejack]

It's academic because I live in California so my presidential vote doesn't count. (In fact, practically all my votes for anything but city and county offices are basically symbolic only.) I would not vote for Trump. I'd weep for the country if the choice is between him, on one side, and on the other a goofy socialist or an inveterate and brazen liar who believes in nothing but her own power and advancement.

Trump v Clinton, who do you vote for? No cop out answers allowed.

[Ma'ake]

Trump v Clinton, who do you vote for? No cop out answers allowed.

Like LA, mine is a practically meaningless vote. It may be time for the country to think about giving us all equal protection under the law and jettisoning the Electoral College.

I would have to go with Hillary, based on my political orientation and the reality that political power guides her. There is, underneath all of the unappealing history and aspects of her, a respect/fear for what the voting public thinks. If she is elected, but defeated for re-election, she would concede and leave office.

I'd like to think that Trump would moderate, if elected. He's shown signs of being pragmatic, which is how a businessman has to be. He's an ass, he's as offensive as they get, but underneath all the posturing, there is a human being.

The only one who shows seriously bad signs of being borderline psychopathic is Cruz. This article should be required reading for anyone seriously considering Cruz: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-fallible-mind/201601/why-ted-cruz-s-facial-expression-makes-me-uneasy

I could see Cruz refusing to leave office, if defeated for re-election, or impeached/tried. This psychiatrist's insights ring true, for me.

[U-Ute]

Like LA, mine is a practically meaningless vote. It may be time for the country to think about giving us all equal protection under the law and jettisoning the Electoral College.

I would have to go with Hillary, based on my political orientation and the reality that political power guides her. There is, underneath all of the unappealing history and aspects of her, a respect/fear for what the voting public thinks. If she is elected, but defeated for re-election, she would concede and leave office.

I'd like to think that Trump would moderate, if elected. He's shown signs of being pragmatic, which is how a businessman has to be. He's an ass, he's as offensive as they get, but underneath all the posturing, there is a human being.

The only one who shows seriously bad signs of being borderline psychopathic is Cruz. This article should be required reading for anyone seriously considering Cruz: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-fallible-mind/201601/why-ted-cruz-s-facial-expression-makes-me-uneasy

I could see Cruz refusing to leave office, if defeated for re-election, or impeached/tried. This psychiatrist's insights ring true, for me.

Hahaha... yeah, I just googled Ted Cruz images. Even when he's smiling it looks wrong. Almost like he's pleading. I can see what this guy is saying. It is fairly disconcerting.

[Diehard Ute]

Like LA, mine is a practically meaningless vote. It may be time for the country to think about giving us all equal protection under the law and jettisoning the Electoral College.

I would have to go with Hillary, based on my political orientation and the reality that political power guides her. There is, underneath all of the unappealing history and aspects of her, a respect/fear for what the voting public thinks. If she is elected, but defeated for re-election, she would concede and leave office.

I'd like to think that Trump would moderate, if elected. He's shown signs of being pragmatic, which is how a businessman has to be. He's an ass, he's as offensive as they get, but underneath all the posturing, there is a human being.

The only one who shows seriously bad signs of being borderline psychopathic is Cruz. This article should be required reading for anyone seriously considering Cruz: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-fallible-mind/201601/why-ted-cruz-s-facial-expression-makes-me-uneasy

I could see Cruz refusing to leave office, if defeated for re-election, or impeached/tried. This psychiatrist's insights ring true, for me.

You're the first person in history to accuse trump of being human


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[LA Ute]

Trump v Clinton, who do you vote for? No cop out answers allowed.

I'll never vote for either of them.

[Rocker Ute]

I'll never vote for either of them.

Does that mean you'd not vote? Or does that mean the possibility won't ever present itself?

[Rocker Ute]

So this is interesting, Trump has fallen behind Cruz 28% to 26% nationally.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/surprise-trump-falls-behind-cruz-national-nbc-wsj-poll-n520296

Rubio comes in with 17%.

Trump scores third lowest, just ahead of Kaisich and Bush for if Republican voters can view themselves voting for him. Rubio holds a commanding lead in that regard.

What I find fascinating is I though as candidates began exiting the race their supporters would likely fall, some to Cruz, but most to Rubio. That doesn't seem to be the case. Conversely I thought that Trump supporters would go mostly to Cruz if he left the race. I wonder if that will bear out.

Rubio is the most palatable of those three candidates. I don't want to vote for any of them, but I could vote for Cruz in somewhat good conscience. I can't vote for Trump or Cruz in any form. I don't care for Clinton but I could vote for her, I can't vote for Bernie.

[Rocker Ute]

Bernie is way more interesting than Hillary. I think he'd be alright. Most of his ideas are light years away from being possible, so he's just kind of fun. He's like your buddy in elementary school who ran for class president on a promise of more snow days.

Except that classmate had no actual authority to make those snow days, whereas... you know... a president does.

[Diehard Ute]

Bernie is way more interesting than Hillary. I think he'd be alright. Most of his ideas are light years away from being possible, so he's just kind of fun. He's like your buddy in elementary school who ran for class president on a promise of more snow days.

His stance on law enforcement and the role of the Feds torpedoed him for me


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Hillary is perhaps the best-prepared, most qualified candidate, with the most impressive resume since...? Maybe John Adams?

And yet she can't help tripping over her own feet. She is fundamentally unlikeable. But at the same time she is broadly supported on domestic issues, gets high marks for women's issues, and is extremely strong on international policy issues.

She will actually be able to get things passed by Congress, who would likely just ignore Bernie Sanders.

[Applejack]

The right answer to my question is Hillary. If you can't admit she'd be better than Trump that, you are as partisan as can be.

I don't like Cruz, but he's a smart guy and has a platform. I don't like Rubio, he's a lightweight, but I understand why other people do; he's likable. I like Jeb, but apparently I'm the only person on earth that does. Hillary is Hillary; you get a whip smart politician, emphasis on politician. And Bernie is like a lovable uncle who hates the world and has wild ideas about "the man."

But Trump? He is a complete clown. He's an imbecile with racist, sexist ideas and a twitter account to prove it. He would be a disaster as the president. And not in the way that Obama or GWB was a disaster; an actual disaster.

[Ma'ake]

You're the first person in history to accuse trump of being human


Haha, the antipathy for Trump is totally understandable. But he's applying what he learned in that stupid reality TV show impressively.

Totally different personalities, but when Reagan was running in 1976, most political analysts dismissed him as a lightweight, an actor who hadn't completed college. But he was able to connect with people like nobody had really seen before.

[UtahsMrSports]

Trump has one redeeming quality...........Season 1 of "The Apprentice" was great tv. Granted, it got worse with each succeeding edition, but still, even a dozen years later, that first season is awesome.

[Rocker Ute]

Apparently Funny or Die did a 50 minute Trump movie starring Johnny Depp as a surprisingly good Donald Trump. They claim that they made the movie and many of the outrageous things they had him say or do in the movies he ended up doing in real life, so don't think they put this together yesterday.

http://www.funnyordie.com/trump_movie

The scary thing about Trump is suddenly a president who people like to theorize are/were being controlled by puppet masters like Bush II and Obama seem really appealing. I can see that guy absolutely ignoring experienced advisors on everything.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Trump has one redeeming quality...........Season 1 of "The Apprentice" was great tv. Granted, it got worse with each succeeding edition, but still, even a dozen years later, that first season is awesome.
Celebrity Apprentice also had the magical moment when Penn Gillette compared Trump's hair to 'cotton candy made from piss'.

[Diehard Ute]

Haha, the antipathy for Trump is totally understandable. But he's applying what he learned in that stupid reality TV show impressively.

Totally different personalities, but when Reagan was running in 1976, most political analysts dismissed him as a lightweight, an actor who hadn't completed college. But he was able to connect with people like nobody had really seen before.

The show he ultimately lost because he's such a buffoon he can't keep his foot out of his own throat


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[LA Ute]

Haha, the antipathy for Trump is totally understandable. But he's applying what he learned in that stupid reality TV show impressively.

Totally different personalities, but when Reagan was running in 1976, most political analysts dismissed him as a lightweight, an actor who hadn't completed college. But he was able to connect with people like nobody had really seen before.

I have never been a Reaganite but Reagan had internally consistent and coherent political convictions, developed over a long period of years. His diaries published after his death show that to be true. Trump, in contrast, has no discernible political convictions. He's spectacularly unfit for the presidency.

Besides, I consider him a man of low character. I know that sounds odd when speaking of a politician, but I think you know what I mean. Who publicly calls John McCain "loser" for being shot down and captured? Or publicly makes fun of a disabled person? Or makes a menstruation joke about a female journalist? Or writes books bragging about his extramarital affairs -- including those with married women? The guy's a moral, ethical and temperamental train wreck.

[sancho]

The right answer to my question is Hillary. If you can't admit she'd be better than Trump that, you are as partisan as can be.


Was LA pretending to be non-partisan? If you belong to a political party, you are partisan by definition.



I don't like Cruz, but he's a smart guy and has a platform. I don't like Rubio, he's a lightweight, but I understand why other people do; he's likable. I like Jeb, but apparently I'm the only person on earth that does. Hillary is Hillary; you get a whip smart politician, emphasis on politician. And Bernie is like a lovable uncle who hates the world and has wild ideas about "the man."


How can someone read that and come out not wanting Bernie? He's the only one for whom "lovable" works.

Is Rubio really likable?

[DrumNFeather]

Kasich is growing on me quite a bit.

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[mUUser]

Trump v Clinton, who do you vote for? No cop out answers allowed.

Ugh...really? Cruz, Trump and Rubio are all unmitigated disasters, but, the Dems this election are twice the train wreck. Give me the Joe's on the Demo side.....Lieberman or Manchin, and Kasich on the Republican side and we've got ourselves a pretty good field.


Hillary is perhaps the best-prepared, most qualified candidate, with the most impressive resume since...? Maybe John Adams?.....

Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? You really don't have to go back far to find a President who was more qualified. Take George 41 -- Served in the military and ended up a war hero, founded his own successful company, Congressman on the House Ways and Means committee, US Ambassador, Envoy to China, CIA Director and Vice President. Side by side it isn't even close. You could also successfully argue even her won husband was more qualified, being AR Attorney General and Governor for 10 years. In fact, any candidate that has actually governed a state could arguably be as qualified, or more so than Hillary. The three candidates mentioned above (Lieberman, Manchin, Kasich) are miles more qualified than Hillary. To say Hillary's the most qualified since Adams is just silly. But, it is the silly season.

[LA Ute]

The right answer to my question is Hillary. If you can't admit she'd be better than Trump that, you are as partisan as can be.

So there's no reason to vote against her other than partisanship? Really? You're blind to her shortcomings?

Anyway, I'm voting for neither.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? .

It was a rhetorical device. I was trying to show how unlike able she can be, regardless whether or not she is a capable leader and administrator.


A big problem with our current electoral system is we select our candidates based on their ability to campaign. But being an effective campaigner and being an effective administrator are not necessarily related. In fact the two may be entirely separate and non-overlapping skill sets. A person's ability to interact with voters in a soundbite-for-effect setting may actually be detrimental to the same person's skill as a leader and decision-maker.

..........

I get the feeling the wheels are about to come off of the Trump Express. The question is how far-spread will be the devastation? He apparently has found a court in Chicago willing to hear the case of whether Cruz, the half-Cuban, Canadian-born candidate, can even legally run for President.

[Diehard Ute]

It was a rhetorical device. I was trying to show how unlike able she can be, regardless whether or not she is a capable leader and administrator.


A big problem with our current electoral system is we select our candidates based on their ability to campaign. But being an effective campaigner and being an effective administrator are not necessarily related. In fact the two may be entirely separate and non-overlapping skill sets. A person's ability to interact with voters in a soundbite-for-effect setting may actually be detrimental to the same person's skill as a leader and decision-maker.

..........

I get the feeling the wheels are about to come off of the Trump Express. The question is how far-spread will be the devastation? He apparently has found a court in Chicago willing to hear the case of whether Cruz, the half-Cuban, Canadian-born candidate, can even legally run for President.

Because the crazies of the political world control our elections candidates are elected on bluster and hot air.

There's nothing, beyond the next election, to hold the candidate to their word.

Locally one needs to look no further than Rocky Anderson and Ralph Becker. Both made promises to get endorsements. Both either went back on those promises or ignored them all together once elected. When that was pointed out it was ignored.

Sadly it seems the US cares more about the ability to talk a good game than the actual results.


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[Applejack]

So there's no reason to vote against her other than partisanship? Really? You're blind to her shortcomings?

Anyway, I'm voting for neither.

No, and I never said such a thing. Hillary is a flawed politician/person and their are a million reasons not to like her.

But that wasn't my question: Hillary v Trump. Who do you vote for (AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHOICES BECAUSE I MAKE THE RULES)?

[LA Ute]

No, and I never said such a thing. Hillary is a flawed politician/person and their are a million reasons not to like her.

But that wasn't my question: Hillary v Trump. Who do you vote for (AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHOICES BECAUSE I MAKE THE RULES)?

Can't I just say I am voting for neither as it would violate my conscience?

1789

[concerned]

Locally one needs to look no further than Rocky Anderson and Ralph Becker. Both made promises to get endorsements. Both either went back on those promises or ignored them all together once elected.


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what are you referring to

[Diehard Ute]

what are you referring to

Both made all kinds of promises to the various labor groups to get support, then never did what they said they would, or did the exact opposite



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[Applejack]

Can't I just say I am voting for neither as it would violate my conscience?

1789

NO! Choose ye this day...

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

If I don't answer my phone tomorrow, it's because I'll have my hands full of caucus. Just leave a message.


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[concerned]

Both made all kinds of promises to the various labor groups to get support, then never did what they said they would, or did the exact opposite



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i you are referring to the police or fire unions in particular, you are wrong at least as to Ralph. Ralph never got their endorsement because he would never agree to their negotiation demands and refused to cave to the unions.

[Diehard Ute]

i you are referring to the police or fire unions in particular, you are wrong at least as to Ralph. Ralph never got their endorsement because he would never agree to their negotiation demands and refused to cave to the unions.

Guess the view of history all depends on where your information comes from. I'll leave it at that.


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[concerned]

So will I, esp. if yours comes from the union.

[Diehard Ute]

So will I, esp. if yours comes from the union.

As if anything from Becker is better ;)


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[concerned]

nope. from the PD.

[Diehard Ute]

nope. from the PD.

Well it all depends on who from the PD at that point in time


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[concerned]

Well it all depends on who from the PD at that point in time


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OK. I agree with that. Truce.

[LA Ute]

I know many here won't like this but I'll share it anyway. Peggy Noonan makes a good point here something here about why Trump appeals to so many people:


I close with a thought about an aspect of modern leftism that is part of the context here.

There is something increasingly unappeasable in the left. This is something conservatives and others have come to fear, that progressives now accept no limits. We can’t just have court-ordered legalized abortion across the land, we have to have it up to the point of birth, and taxpayers have to pay for it. It’s not enough to win same-sex marriage, you’ve got to personally approve of it and if you publicly resist you’ll be ruined. It’s not enough that we have publicly funded contraceptives, the nuns have to provide them.

This unappeasable spirit always turns to the courts to have its way.

If progressives were wise they would step back, accept their victories, take a breath and turn to the idea of solidifying gains, of heroic patience, of being peaceable.

Don’t make them bake the cake. Don’t make them accept the progressive replacement for Scalia. Leave the nuns alone.

Progressives have no idea how fragile it all is. That’s why they feel free to be unappeasable. They don’t know what they’re grinding down.

They think America has endless give. But America is composed of humans, and they do not have endless give.

Isn’t that what we’re seeing this year in the political realm? That they don’t have endless give? And we’ll be seeing more of it. people


I close with a thought about an aspect of modern leftism that is part of the context here.

There is something increasingly unappeasable in the left. This is something conservatives and others have come to fear, that progressives now accept no limits. We can’t just have court-ordered legalized abortion across the land, we have to have it up to the point of birth, and taxpayers have to pay for it. It’s not enough to win same-sex marriage, you’ve got to personally approve of it and if you publicly resist you’ll be ruined. It’s not enough that we have publicly funded contraceptives, the nuns have to provide them.

This unappeasable spirit always turns to the courts to have its way.

If progressives were wise they would step back, accept their victories, take a breath and turn to the idea of solidifying gains, of heroic patience, of being peaceable.

Don’t make them bake the cake. Don’t make them accept the progressive replacement for Scalia. Leave the nuns alone.

Progressives have no idea how fragile it all is. That’s why they feel free to be unappeasable. They don’t know what they’re grinding down.

They think America has endless give. But America is composed of humans, and they do not have endless give.

Isn’t that what we’re seeing this year in the political realm? That they don’t have endless give? And we’ll be seeing more of it.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Oh please. Her entire premise also applies to the way the Tea Partyists and Religious Right have hijacked the Grand Old Party. The Republican Party is being set upon by territorial warlords who believe they can capture the whole party and wield it at their leisure, but in fact what is happening is a Balkanization of the GOP similar to the death of the Whig Party.

[LA Ute]

Oh please. Her entire premise also applies to the way the Tea Partyists and Religious Right have hijacked the Grand Old Party. The Republican Party is being set upon by territorial warlords who believe they can capture the whole party and wield it at their leisure, but in fact what is happening is a Balkanization of the GOP similar to the death of the Whig Party.

I knew you wouldn't like it. But people are scared and worried. Try not to dismiss that; it's reality, I think.

[Applejack]

Lol. Despite what this author says, trump is a republican.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I knew you wouldn't like it. But people are scared and worried. Try not to dismiss that; it's reality, I think.
I didn't say that I didn't like it, just that Peggy Noonan must realize that her old boss (Reagan) would be considered 'too liberal' to have a prayer in a GOP primary today.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Lol. Despite what this author says, trump is a republican.
He certainly has the anti-immigration cred, and the pro-corporation cred, but for some strange reason his strong pro-abortion stance and other seemingly non-Conservative beliefs seem to not phase his supporter base.

[LA Ute]

Interesting stuff here.

Trump: Nemesis Of The GOP

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-nemesis-gop-republican-party/


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Interesting stuff here.

Trump: Nemesis Of The GOP

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-nemesis-gop-republican-party/


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Donald J. Trump is the face of Republicans. Just embrace it!

[LA Ute]

Donald J. Trump is the face of Republicans. Just embrace it!

LOL. So who's the face of Democrats? Looks like Sanders so far. Or would you prefer the inveterate liar as your champion?


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[LA Ute]

From "Stop Defending Trump's Poisonous Middle-finger Politics:"


When my dog caught a rabbit at Hillsdale College a couple years ago, I was horrified. I’m no hunter and I don’t like seeing cute things kill other cute things. But when I yelled at my Carolina swamp dog, she looked at me with a single clear conviction she wanted to impart: You don’t understand — this is what I am about.

Lying is what the Clintons are about.

And, no, I’m not talking about Bill Clinton lying about his “relationship” with Monica Lewinsky, or the numerous credible accusations that he was a sexual predator. Bill earned the name “Slick Willie” long before he questioned the meaning of “is” or claimed that while Lewinsky had made sexual contact with him, he had not had sexual contact with her.

Bill lied with half-truths, whole lies, whole truths wrapped in deceptive contexts. He was like the air-traffic controller in Airplane! when handed a weather bulletin just off the wire. Lloyd Bridges asks, “What do you make of this, Johnny?”

Johnny replied, “I can make a hat! I can make a broche! I can make a pterodactyl . . .”

Well, like the replicator in Star Trek that just moves molecules around to make you any meal you want, Bill Clinton can pluck nouns and verbs from the air and serve them as if they were hot steamy piles of truth.

* * * * * * *

Now I am being a bit unfair to Hillary Clinton. She is not a born liar the way Bill is. Bill is the Michael Jordan of lying. Lots of people can score baskets. But Jordan was in a class by himself both for his skill and his ability to make it look fun.

With the possible exception of barking like a dog, Hillary Clinton doesn’t make anything — anything — look fun. She even makes being married to a fun guy seem unfun. (I should say, he’s probably more to blame for that.) Hillary lies as much as Bill, but she’s more like Larry Bird; she gets the job done, but no one would call it graceful. (Caveat: Sports analogies are not my forte so my apologies if this misses the mark like a volleyball falling short of the goalposts.)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431631/donald-trump-middle-finger-politics-toxic


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[Diehard Ute]

Apparently the RNC is going to hold a debate in SLC March 21st.


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[USS Utah]

Donald J. Trump is the face of Republicans. Just embrace it!

It's either him or Cruz, apparently, which would seem to make my alienation from the GOP complete.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Jeb! Out.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Caucus today was a scintillating experience. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the two hours of sitting around waiting for that process to happen. With my four kids. By the end I was probably doing a pretty good Bernie impersonation.


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[Applejack]

Lol. Trump wins again!

[Rocker Ute]

I've come to the conclusion that the extreme right is filled with nut jobs and the extreme left with gloating, self-righteous scum bags. A discussion I had Friday with some South Africans showed me that the rest of the world can hardly tell the difference. Neither can I.


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[USS Utah]

So, southern religious right voters rejected Romney because he was a "northeast liberal who flip flopped on abortion." The same folks are voting for Trump, a northeast liberal who is still pro choice.

The religious right is bankrupt. Goodbye GOP.

[LA Ute]

So, southern religious right voters rejected Romney because he was a "northeast liberal who flip flopped on abortion." The same folks are voting for Trump, a northeast liberal who is still pro choice.

The religious right is bankrupt. Goodbye GOP.

Trump also said this week that he likes Obamacare's individual mandate, which most conservative Republicans (not I) think jeopardizes Western Civilization. No matter, it seems.

The question is whether he can break beyond the 34% or so that he seems to get everywhere. We'll see.


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[LA Ute]

https://pjmedia.com/election/2016/02/21/rubio-needs-a-breakthrough-very-soon/?singlepage=true


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[LA Ute]

Donnie Wahlberg endorses Marco Rubio!!

https://marcorubio.com/news/donnie-wahlberg-endorses-marco/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Link_Post&utm_term=New_American_Century&utm_content=Donnie_Wahlberg_Endorses_Marco&utm_campaign=Daily_Social_Organic&utm_0id=022116c


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[LA Ute]

Cruz Fires Comms Director Over Rubio Flap (http://www.weeklystandard.com/cruz-fires-comms-director-over-rubio-flap/article/2001206/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160222_TWS-blog-cruz-fires-comms-5_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS)I guess Ted realized he had to clean this one up.

[U-Ute]

Cruz Fires Comms Director Over Rubio Flap (http://www.weeklystandard.com/cruz-fires-comms-director-over-rubio-flap/article/2001206/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160222_TWS-blog-cruz-fires-comms-5_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS)

I guess Ted realized he had to clean this one up.


He fired the wrong guy. He needs to fire that guy's boss.

[LA Ute]

A Bad Day For Hillary Clinton In Federal Court.


A federal district court judge today granted a motion by Judicial Watch for discovery into whether the State Department and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton deliberately thwarted the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Judge Emmet Sullivan, a Bill Clinton appointee, issued the ruling in a FOIA case seeking records about the controversial employment status of Huma Abedin, former Deputy Chief of Staff to Clinton. In granting the motion, Judge Sullivan explained that months of piecemeal revelations about Clinton and the State Department’s handling of the email controversy created ‘at least a “reasonable suspicion”’ that public access to official government records under the federal Freedom of Information Act was undermined.

So, while the FBI continues to investigate whether the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee committed felonies, discovery will proceed in federal court as to whether she deliberately thwarted federal law pertaining to document production.




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[Sullyute]

So will Hillary be the second Clinton to be impeached as president?

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[Applejack]

Trump!!!!! America is Finally Going to Be Great, Again!

[Rocker Ute]

I've finally come around to Trump. If he were elected it would feel very European to elect a celebrity moron.


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[Utah]

I've come to the conclusion that the extreme right is filled with nut jobs and the extreme left with gloating, self-righteous scum bags. A discussion I had Friday with some South Africans showed me that the rest of the world can hardly tell the difference. Neither can I.


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I think the fact that Bill Clinton spent 33 million on his last presidential election and the winner of the 2016 race will essentially spend 2 BILLION...

There is no difference between left and right. Both are bought and paid for by large corporations and both sides do their bidding. We've become the definition of crony capitalism.

[Applejack]

I think the fact that Bill Clinton spent 33 million on his last presidential election and the winner of the 2016 race will essentially spend 2 BILLION...

There is no difference between left and right. Both are bought and paid for by large corporations and both sides do their bidding. We've become the definition of crony capitalism.

Looks like someone is feeling the Bern.

[Utah]

Looks like someone is feeling the Bern.

Ha ha. I wish. What he says sounds really nice. I don't think he can do it though. Heck, I don't think any one person can fix this. I have no idea what should be done.

Maybe start by some sort of campaign limits on spending. With social media these days, campaign costs should be dropping, not going up. Let the people find the information they want to find.

After that? Who the heck knows. Let's see what happens when you get campaign spending down. Let's see who gets elected then. Maybe it will give the opportunity for a couple of people to run who have great ideas but limited funds.

[Utah]

It's like the thread I started and haven't been back to. I'm so clueless with this stuff. I want to learn and I'm afraid to go back into that thread because I'm not sure I have the time to put into the information in there.

[LA Ute]

Is Marco Rubio Really an 'Establishment' Candidate? (http://www.weeklystandard.com/is-marco-rubio-really-an-establishment-candidate/article/2001239/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160224_TWS-blog-rubio-not-establishment-6_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS)

As you watch the Republican establishment and money rally to Rubio this week, you have to understand that this isn't the act of a class protecting one of its own. It's an act of surrender. The Republican establishment has lost. They are embracing Rubio in an attempt to form a coalition in which they're the junior partner. . . .

[LA Ute]

The Donald is not The Man in Utah:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ut/utah_republican_presidential_caucus-5765.html

3rd place. Yuge!


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[Diehard Ute]

The Donald is not The Man in Utah:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ut/utah_republican_presidential_caucus-5765.html

3rd place. Yuge!


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Has to be a lie. While biking at the gym today I saw Trump tell Anderson Cooper the only state he was behind in was Texas. And we all know Trump only tells the truth ;)


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[LA Ute]

LIFE AND LEADERSHIP LESSONS MY GRANDKIDS ARE LEARNING FROM DONALD TRUMP

http://sixseeds.patheos.com/searchingfortomsawyer/2016/02/life-and-leadership-lessons-my-grandkids-are-learning-from-donald-trump/


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[UtahsMrSports]

When I was a kid, I loved WWF wrestling. Nothing beat "Thursday Night Smackdown". I loved it when a brawl would be going on between the good guys (The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Hardy Boyz, The Big Show, Mankind, etc.) and the bad guys (D Generation X) and the bad guys would start to get the upper hand, and all of a sudden, you would hear the theme music for one of the good guys who was not already there and they would come out and mop the floor with the bad guys as the crowd would go wild.

In this election, I am waiting to hear the theme music of one of the good guys. Heck, I am far from a Romney supporter, but man, Id give anything to have him come out and mop the floor with these other candidates right now.

[concerned]

If Romney had run, would he have made a difference? He would have been a much more effective establishment candidate than Bush or Christie, but would Trump have eviscerated him as he did Bush? Would he suffer the same fate because this is just the year it is?

[LA Ute]

If Romney had run, would he have made a difference? He would have been a much more effective establishment candidate than Bush or Christie, but would Trump have eviscerated him as he did Bush? Would he suffer the same fate because this is just the year it is?

Maybe. http://metaldetectingforum.com/images/smilies/shrug.gif

[SeattleUte]

LIFE AND LEADERSHIP LESSONS MY GRANDKIDS ARE LEARNING FROM DONALD TRUMP

http://sixseeds.patheos.com/searchingfortomsawyer/2016/02/life-and-leadership-lessons-my-grandkids-are-learning-from-donald-trump/


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There are worse traits.

[LA Ute]

There are worse traits.

You're setting a pretty low bar.

[concerned]

so there has been a lot of punditry the last day or two asking why doesn't Rubio take on Trump directly? (See, eg Douthat). Is it because (i) he is waiting to get Cruz out, so he can challenge Trump mano y mano, or (ii) he has run the numbers and is positioning himself for vp now and pres 4 or 8 years from now?

Guesses? if it is (i), he is rapldly running out of time.

[LA Ute]

so there has been a lot of punditry the last day or two asking why doesn't Rubio take on Trump directly? (See, eg Douthat). Is it because (i) he is waiting to get Cruz out, so he can challenge Trump mano y mano, or (ii) he has run the numbers and is positioning himself for vp now and pres 4 or 8 years from now?

Guesses? if it is (i), he is rapldly running out of time.

Hate to say it but he's a young guy and has a long future ahead in politics if he wants to, so my guess is (ii).

[concerned]

Hate to say it but he's a young guy and has a long future ahead in politics if he wants to, so my guess is (ii).

just saw another possibility: (iii) he is counting on doing enough to get to a brokered convention, where the party will anoint him.

[LA Ute]

We Hear You, Angry Republicans! (https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/2016/02/25/we-hear-you-angry-republicans/1/)

[LA Ute]

Trumpageddon: Cruz and Rubio Unveil Plan to Mock and Dismantle Frontrunner

http://www.weeklystandard.com/trumpageddon-cruz-rubio-unveil-plan-to-mockdismantle-frontrunner/article/2001272


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[LA Ute]

Rubio: Not acting like he wants to be Trump's running mate:


http://youtu.be/VY27ZtZvCYc

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Rubio: Not acting like he wants to be Trump's running mate:


http://youtu.be/VY27ZtZvCYc

But Christie sure is.


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[concerned]

Rubio: Not acting like he wants to be Trump's running mate:


http://youtu.be/VY27ZtZvCYc

So why did he wait so long then. Now it is almost a hail mary. May be too late to reverse Florida.

[Diehard Ute]

Andrew Bogut



https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/703366930439143424

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/6db445176251222fdc648c0597847cd0.jpg


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[LA Ute]

But Christie sure is.


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I think he wants to be Attorney General.

[LA Ute]

1795

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Trump won't distance himself from David Duke endorsement because he needs to look into this group of his a little more first. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/28/468455028/trump-wont-condemn-kkk-says-he-knows-nothing-about-white-supremacists


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[DrumNFeather]

Who else is gearing up to vote in the Super Tuesday primaries?

[UtahsMrSports]

Who else is gearing up to vote in the Super Tuesday primaries?

Ive got my popcorn ready to go.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Ive got my popcorn ready to go.

Something to watch with your popcorn.

http://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ


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[U-Ute]

Something to watch with your popcorn.

http://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ


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Savage.

[DrumNFeather]

I voted!

[mUUser]

All 5 of these candidates become bigger train wrecks day by day. I think Marco Rubio has shown his desperation the last couple of days.....and not a single candidate strikes me as someone who has the temperament and judgement to be a good President. We're screwed for another 4 years.

[U-Ute]

Yesterday Rubio went after Drumpf, and today Paul Ryan is going after him.

Is the RNC finally coordinating an effort?

[LA Ute]

Yesterday Rubio went after Drumpf, and today Paul Ryan is going after him.

Is the RNC finally coordinating an effort?

I think they simply realize what a disaster he will be. They will lose the presidential election and very likely Congress too.

[NorthwestUteFan]

But what can they do? Deny Trump the party's nomination at the convention, after he has secured the nomination?

The Republican Party has to be sweating bullets right now.

[sancho]

The Republican Party has to be sweating bullets right now.

All America should be sweating bullets. Bernie took Colorado, but it won't be enough. The closest thing to a good option is about to be cut.

[LA Ute]

lican Divide About Trump Grows

http://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-divide-about-trump-grows-1456797124?mod=e2fb

It's not inconceivable that this guy could be president. Everyone should be worried. He's bad for the country even if he's just the Republican nominee.


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[Applejack]

Trump! GOPers love the guy.

[DrumNFeather]

Trump! GOPers love the guy.

If you look at the counties in Virginia he won in all the rural areas and lost to Rubio in the high population areas (that in the last two elections have gone blue).

Ultimately, I think Hillary wins VA in the general election.

[LA Ute]

Trump! GOPers love the guy.

Hey, not as much as you apparently do. Admit it, you are a big fan of The Apprentice. I'll bet you have every episode on DVD.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Is Sleepy Ben Carson playing spoiler to Ted Cruz? He is likely splitting the Evangelical vote away from Count Cruzula, and will suck the blood out of the vote in States where he trails close behind Trump.

He may end up playing the spoiler the way Mike Huckabee did to Mitt Romney in 2008.

[wally]

It's not inconceivable that this guy could be president. Everyone should be worried. He's bad for the country even if he's just the Republican nominee.

Could he be so bad, that he is actually good for the country?

[Rocker Ute]

Could he be so bad, that he is actually good for the country?

Kind of like having diarrhea so explosive that it cleanses you of colon cancer?

[LA Ute]

Is Sleepy Ben Carson playing spoiler to Ted Cruz? He is likely splitting the Evangelical vote away from Count Cruzula, and will suck the blood out of the vote in States where he trails close behind Trump.

He may end up playing the spoiler the way Mike Huckabee did to Mitt Romney in 2008.

He and Kasich are vanity candidates, the kind that pop up every time. The difference is that Ralph Nader really did want to hurt Al Gore for some reason, IMO. I think Kasich and Carson, in contrast, have some kind of Messiah thing going on in their heads. But they are helping Trump.

[concerned]

This is a really good analysis of Trump and foreign policy. I do think Trump is clinically mentally ill. There is such a thing as healthy narcissism and neurotic narcissism, but his goes far beyond anything like that. It is debilitating and dangerous.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/trump-national-security-threat

[sancho]

He and Kasich are vanity candidates, the kind that pop up every time. The difference is that Ralph Nader really did want to hurt Al Gore for some reason, IMO. I think Kasich and Carson, in contrast, have some kind of Messiah thing going on in their heads. But they are helping Trump.

So, if Hillary could choose her opponent right now, who would she choose? I don't think anyone is going to beat her, but I suspect that she prefers to run against Cruz/Rubio. Those two have no chance, but trump is some kind crazy wild card. Isn't that why some non-crazy republicans are getting behind him?

[wally]

Kind of like having diarrhea so explosive that it cleanses you of colon cancer?

lol! EXACTLY!

[concerned]

So, if Hillary could choose her opponent right now, who would she choose? I don't think anyone is going to beat her, but I suspect that she prefers to run against Cruz/Rubio. Those two have no chance, but trump is some kind crazy wild card. Isn't that why some non-crazy republicans are getting behind him?

From what I have read, she most wants to run against Cruz, because he is so extreme, has tied himself to the evangelicals, and hasn't shown any real strength outside the Bible belt. She is happy to run against Trump, but recognizes that he has strength in the rust belt states, and would be unpredictable. She least wanted to run against Rubio, but that may have changed after last night.

[U-Ute]

I was watching the interview with Rubio and Lindsay Graham last night on CBS talk about the primaries, and they were going on about how Trump is going to destroy the Republican Party.

My wife commented that all of their comments were about them, and they didn't say anything about what is best for the country.

[Applejack]

Hey, not as much as you apparently do. Admit it, you are a big fan of The Apprentice. I'll bet you have every episode on DVD.


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It's a good show! But seriously, who watches DVDs anymore.

Trumpmania is sweeping the nation (except the midwest)!

[LA Ute]

It's a good show! But seriously, who watches DVDs anymore.

My point exactly. You have them so you can watch The Apprentice at any time of day, and especially while on vacation. We all know this is true.

Meanwhile, everyone should read this. You'll laugh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/03/02/chris-christies-wordless-screaming/?utm_content=bufferfc273&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[LA Ute]

Jonah Goldberg on the Trump KKK gaffe:


Again, the best defense of Trump is that he hates these PC gotcha games by the press. I think that’s plausible and probably explains some of it.

But, denouncing the Klan should be easy. You shouldn’t have to think about it. And you certainly shouldn’t let you’re fear of being called “politically correct” get in the way. That’s beyond asinine. If you want to turn the tables on the interviewer and note that the Klan used to be the militant wing of the Democratic party, go for it. The one thing you shouldn’t do is sound like you’re reluctant to condemn the Klan(!) or that you’re dog-whistling that you don’t really mean it when you do.

Yet when you watch the Tapper interview, it becomes clear what is really going on: He think condemning the Klan will hurt him with conservatives or southerners or both. He needed aides to tell him, “Mr. Trump, sir, it’s okay to disassociate yourself with the KKK.” And so he took to Twitter to clean up the mess he created.

In other words, the issue isn’t that conservative opponents of Trump think he’s a Klan supporting racist, it’s that Trump thinks many of his conservative supporters are. And that’s just one reason I don’t want this guy speaking for me.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432228/trump-thinks-kkk-are-conservative

[SoCalPat]

1. Trump University

2. Admitting he's in favor of committing war crimes.

He's committed fraud against the public and he advocates criminal ideas. Those two things, ladies and gentlemen, are enough to get any candidate disqualified. If Rubio and Cruz don't hammer those two things home against Trump and to the American public in the next debate, they deserve to lose. Especially No. 2 -- I would double down and, much like Trump finally came around to not wanting votes from groups like the Klan, I wouldn't want votes from people who think committing war crimes is acceptable foreign policy. Play into the military's sense of right and wrong. What Trump has advocated for is an order that can easily be disobeyed. Like the article LA posted earlier, Trump is more of a national security threat than he is a viable candidate for public office.

[LA Ute]

Do you think Chris Christie looks comfortable here?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_C41yuLls

[sancho]

If Rubio and Cruz don't hammer those two things home against Trump and to the American public in the next debate, they deserve to lose. Especially No. 2 -- I would double down

That's the crazy part - they could double down all day, and people don't care. Trump is clearly crazy/uninformed on issues, and it doesn't matter. If it weren't for the disgusting nature of the man himself, it would be a refreshingly honest example of how issues don't matter in elections nearly as much as we think they do/should.

[U-Ute]

My point exactly. You have them so you can watch The Apprentice at any time of day, and especially while on vacation. We all know this is true.

Meanwhile, everyone should read this. You'll laugh.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/03/02/chris-christies-wordless-screaming/?utm_content=bufferfc273&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I saw that last night. It took me a while to realize that was Christie last night. This is a solid characterization of the look on his face.

[U-Ute]

1799

[sancho]

Jonah Goldberg on the Trump KKK gaffe:



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432228/trump-thinks-kkk-are-conservative

Yeah, denouncing the klan is easy, but if he did it, he wouldn't be the unconventional guy getting support from people who are tired of the conventional. It's like when George Costanza did the opposite of whatever his gut told him to do. "Denounce hte klan? I should probably do that. I wonder what happens if I don't? Turns out, I get even more press coverage than I did before!" I don't think he's consciously doing it, though. I think he's a total train wreck of a person, and it's working.

[U-Ute]

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[Diehard Ute]

The average every day rational person doesn't make noise. Doesn't show up to political rallies. Doesn't do much of anything. They take care of their responsibilities and family and keep within their circle.


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[LA Ute]

The GOP Crackup, For Good or Bad (https://www.commentarymagazine.com/uncategorized/gop-crackup-good-bad/)
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/uncategorized/gop-crackup-good-bad/

[LA Ute]

Thomas Sowell:
(http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell030116.php3#WBjhYjOEXG1jeI8T.99)

The “Super Tuesday” primaries may be a turning point for America — and quite possibly a turn for the worse. After seven long years of domestic disasters and increasing international dangers, the next President of the United States will need extraordinary wisdom, maturity, depth of knowledge and personal character to rescue America.

Instead, if the polls are an indication, what we may get is someone with the opposite of all these things, a glib egomaniac with a checkered record in business and no track record at all in government — Donald Trump.

If so, the downward trajectory of America over the past seven years may well continue on into the future, to the point of no return….

Trump’s acting like a bull in a china shop may appeal to some voters but, in the world as it is, he may well cost us our last chance to recover from the great dangers into which the Obama administration has gotten this nation.We already have an ego-driven, know-it-all president who will not listen to military or intelligence agency experts. Do we need to tempt fate by having two in a row?

[NorthwestUteFan]

Thomas Sowell makes a lot of cogent points. I think his statement regarding 'the great dangers into which The Obama administration has gotten us into' is tremendous hyperbole, but he is correct on most accounts.

[Devildog]

I believe many Americans are sick and tired of politicians. Trump represents something different. I think different looks good to many people that don't expect anything better (than what we've seen for decades) from any routine politician.

I don't support Trump, but if in the end it comes down to Hillary or Trump. I will vote Trump. It could be Andrew Jackson all over again.

[Diehard Ute]

I believe many Americans are sick and tired of politicians. Trump represents something different. I think different looks good to many people that don't expect anything better (than what we've seen for decades) from any routine politician.

I don't support Trump, but if in the end it comes down to Hillary or Trump. I will vote Trump. It could be Andrew Jackson all over again.

Different is only good if it's positive. There's nothing Trump brings that's positive.




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[Devildog]

Different is only good if it's positive. There's nothing Trump brings that's positive.



I don't want to hear politicians speaking around the truth. We all know they use carefully selected words to mitigate offense in speech, but will act in a manner different than what they say.

Trump at least says what he means. You may hate what he has to say, but he isn't playing Hillary's game. She is a blatant liar, and scares me more than Trump.

[U-Ute]

Thomas Sowell:
(http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell030116.php3#WBjhYjOEXG1jeI8T.99)

I guess the good news that we'll have worse gridlock than we do now, so he may not be able to do too much damage.

Still, the idea of a sociopath the likes of Trump getting the reigns to the country after years of Clinton, Bushies (41 and 43) and Obama extending Presidental power the way they have is terrifying.

[Diehard Ute]

I don't want to hear politicians speaking around the truth. We all know they use carefully selected words to mitigate offense in speech, but will act in a manner different than what they say.

Trump at least says what he means. You may hate what he has to say, but he isn't playing Hillary's game. She is a blatant liar, and scares me more than Trump.

Trump changes what he says on a regular basis. He's a liar. He's just a really offensive one.

Two weeks ago he gave a speech indicating he supported the provision of obamacare which mandates health coverage, to the point he said the government would pay for it. Then yesterday he revealed his health care plan and he'd completely changed that portion of it, removing it all together as he'd gotten heat for it. Pretty sure that's exactly what you just said you don't like.

Should we even get into blaming faulty equipment for things?


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Trump changes what he says on a regular basis. He's a liar. He's just a really offensive one.

Two weeks ago he gave a speech indicating he supported the provision of obamacare which mandates health coverage, to the point he said the government would pay for it. Then yesterday he revealed his health care plan and he'd completely changed that portion of it, removing it all together as he'd gotten heat for it. Pretty sure that's exactly what you just said you don't like.

Should we even get into blaming faulty equipment for things?


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:rofl:

[U-Ute]

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[LA Ute]

Full transcript: Mitt Romney's remarks on Donald Trump and the 2016 race (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/full-transcript-mitt-romneys-remarks-on-donald-trump-and-the-2016-race-220176)
(http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/full-transcript-mitt-romneys-remarks-on-donald-trump-and-the-2016-race-220176)
Video is there too.

Here's the text. What I want is for a Trump supporter -- many of whom are evangelical Christians -- to tell me why these things don't matter at all in a candidate for President of the United States:

*****

I am not here to announce my candidacy for office. I am not going to endorse a candidate today. Instead, I would like to offer my perspective on the nominating process of my party. In 1964, days before the presidential election which, incidentally, we lost, Ronald Reagan went on national television and challenged America saying that it was a "Time for Choosing." He saw two paths for America, one that embraced conservative principles dedicated to lifting people out of poverty and helping create opportunity for all, and the other, an oppressive government that would lead America down a darker, less free path. I'm no Ronald Reagan and this is a different moment but I believe with all my heart and soul that we face another time for choosing, one that will have profound consequences for the Republican Party and more importantly, for the country.

I say this in part because of my conviction that America is poised to lead the world for another century. Our technology engines, our innovation dynamic, and the ambition and skill of our people will propel our economy and raise our standard of living. America will remain as it is today, the envy of the world.
Warren Buffett was 100% right when he said last week that "the babies being born in America today are the luckiest crop in history."

That doesn't mean we don't have real problems and serious challenges. At home, poverty persists and wages are stagnant. The horrific massacres of Paris and San Bernardino, the nuclear ambitions of the Iranian mullahs, the aggressions of Putin, the growing assertiveness of China and the nuclear tests of North Korea confirm that we live in troubled and dangerous times.

But if we make the right choices, America's future will be even better than our past and better than our present.

On the other hand, if we make improvident choices, the bright horizon I foresee will never materialize. Let me put it plainly, if we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished.

Let me explain why.

First, the economy: If Donald Trump's plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into a prolonged recession.


A few examples: His proposed 35% tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war that would raise prices for consumers, kill export jobs, and lead entrepreneurs and businesses to flee America. His tax plan, in combination with his refusal to reform entitlements and to honestly address spending would balloon the deficit and the national debt. So even as Donald Trump has offered very few specific economic plans, what little he has said is enough to know that he would be very bad for American workers and for American families.

But wait, you say, isn't he a huge business success that knows what he's talking about? No he isn't. His bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who worked for them. He inherited his business, he didn't create it. And what ever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there's Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks, and Trump Mortgage? A business genius he is not.

Now not every policy Donald Trump has floated is bad. He wants to repeal and replace Obamacare. He wants to bring jobs home from China and Japan. But his prescriptions to do these things are flimsy at best. At the last debate, all he could remember about his healthcare plan was to remove insurance boundaries between states. Successfully bringing jobs home requires serious policy and reforms that make America the place businesses want to plant and grow. You can't punish business into doing the things you want. Frankly, the only serious policy proposals that deal with the broad range of national challenges we confront, come today from Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich. One of these men should be our nominee.

I know that some people want the race to be over. They look at history and say a trend like Mr. Trump's isn't going to be stopped.

Perhaps. But the rules of political history have pretty much all been shredded during this campaign. If the other candidates can find common ground, I believe we can nominate a person who can win the general election and who will represent the values and policies of conservatism. Given the current delegate selection process, this means that I would vote for Marco Rubio in Florida, for John Kasich in Ohio, and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state.

Let me turn to national security and the safety of our homes and loved ones. Trump's bombast is already alarming our allies and fueling the enmity of our enemies. Insulting all Muslims will keep many of them from fully engaging with us in the urgent fight against ISIS. And for what purpose? Muslim terrorists would only have to lie about their religion to enter the country.

What he said on “60 Minutes” about Syria and ISIS has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the campaign season: Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Think about that: Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over a country? This is recklessness in the extreme.

Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart. I'm afraid that when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart.

I am far from the first to conclude that Donald Trump lacks the temperament of be president. After all, this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter's questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity.

Donald Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin, while has called George W. Bush a liar. That is a twisted example of evil trumping good.

There is dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War while John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured.
Dishonesty is Trump's hallmark: He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong, he spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong, he saw no such thing. He imagined it. His is not the temperament of a stable, thoughtful leader. His imagination must not be married to real power.

The President of the United States has long been the leader of the free world. The president and yes the nominees of the country's great parties help define America to billions of people. All of them bear the responsibility of being an example for our children and grandchildren.

Think of Donald Trump's personal qualities, the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. We have long referred to him as "The Donald." He is the only person in America to whom we have added an article before his name. It wasn't because he had attributes we admired.

Now imagine your children and your grandchildren acting the way he does. Will you welcome that? Haven't we seen before what happens when people in prominent positions fail the basic responsibility of honorable conduct? We have, and it always injures our families and our country.

Watch how he responds to my speech today. Will he talk about our policy differences or will he attack me with every imaginable low road insult? This may tell you what you need to know about his temperament, his stability, and his suitability to be president.

Trump relishes any poll that reflects what he thinks of himself. But polls are also saying that he will lose to Hillary Clinton.

On Hillary Clinton's watch at the State Department, America's interests were diminished in every corner of the world. She compromised our national secrets, dissembled to the families of the slain, and jettisoned her most profound beliefs to gain presidential power.

For the last three decades, the Clintons have lived at the intersection of money and politics, trading their political influence to enrich their personal finances. They embody the term “crony capitalism.” It disgusts the American people and causes them to lose faith in our political process.

A person so untrustworthy and dishonest as Hillary Clinton must not become president. But a Trump nomination enables her victory. The audio and video of the infamous Tapper-Trump exchange on the Ku Klux Klan will play a hundred thousand times on cable and who knows how many million times on social media.

There are a number of people who claim that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake. There is indeed evidence of that. Mr. Trump has changed his positions not just over the years, but over the course of the campaign, and on the Ku Klux Klan, daily for three days in a row.

We will only really know if he is the real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns and the tape of his interview with the New York Times. I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn't give much if anything to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told the New York Times that his immigration talk is just that: talk. And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, he will never ever release his tax returns.
Never. Not the returns under audit, not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide. Nor will he authorize the Times to release the tapes. If I'm right, you will have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is a phony.

Attacking me as he surely will won't prove him any less of a phony. It's entirely in his hands to prove me wrong. All he has to do is to release his back taxes like he promised he would, and let us hear what he said behind closed doors to the New York Times.

Ronald Reagan used to quote a Scottish philosopher who predicted that democracies and civilizations couldn't last more than about 200 years. John Adams wrote this: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." I believe that America has proven these dire predictions wrong for two reasons.

First, we have been blessed with great presidents, with giants among us. Men of character, integrity and selflessness have led our nation from its very beginning. None were perfect: each surely made mistakes. But in every case, they acted out of the desire to do what was right for America and for freedom.

The second reason is because we are blessed with a great people, people who at every critical moment of choosing have put the interests of the country above their own.

These two things are related: our presidents time and again have called on us to rise to the occasion. John F. Kennedy asked us to consider what we could do for our country. Lincoln drew upon the better angels of our nature to save the union.

I understand the anger Americans feel today. In the past, our presidents have channeled that anger, and forged it into resolve, into endurance and high purpose, and into the will to defeat the enemies of freedom. Our anger was transformed into energy directed for good.

Mr. Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants, he calls for the use of torture and for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. He cheers assaults on protesters. He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit first amendment freedom of the press. This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.

Here's what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.

His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president. And his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.

America has greatness ahead. This is a time for choosing. God bless us to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/full-transcript-mitt-romneys-remarks-on-donald-trump-and-the-2016-race-220176#ixzz41tAVpPLq

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

http://trumpdonald.org/

[LA Ute]

Breitbart loses whatever credibility it still had.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/03/mittcarthyism-romney-disgraces-himself-with-dishonest-attack-on-trump/


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Breitbart's remaining credibility died with Andrew Breitbart.

[SoCalPat]

Breitbart loses whatever credibility it still had.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/03/mittcarthyism-romney-disgraces-himself-with-dishonest-attack-on-trump/


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Rubio, Cruz and Kasich are as spinelss as Trump is dishonest. They had a chance to really make a statement by not backing Trump as nominee, and they caved. They essentially endorsed Trump tonight, even after all the attacks they made against him. Which shows they're all just opportunist hacks.

Rubio is not that quick on his feet. When Trump said Rubio had defrauded the state of Florida, Rubio could have at least noted that he hasn't had a lawsuit brought against him by his constituents.

[mUUser]

Hard to believe Kasich is running a distant fourth to this group of stooges. He's the most qualified and accomplished by a country mile, plus, he has the most stable temperament and most likely able to work with the other party. Having said that, I held my nose and voted for Cruz because Kasich has zero shot of becoming the Repub nominee, and I'd rather have Cruz over Trump.

Rubio needs to get out. Right now. He's totally unqualified. He has no major accomplishments, is easily rattled, looks lost.......the Republican equivalent of an '08 Obama. If he cares at all about the party he'll get out before the Florida primary and throw all his support to Cruz. But, he won't because he's no less a narcissist than any of the other candidates, including Trump. Because the other 2 candidates won't get out right now, we're witnessing a quiet revolution in the republican party right before our eyes. A third of the party is consistently loyal to Trump, and if the convention is brokered and the nomination doesn't go to Trump, he'll take his following, run as a third party candidate and kill the republicans chances of winning, splitting the party forever.

Buckle up, because its Trump vs Hillary. This is gonna be painfully entertaining, but, a guaranteed train wreck in the end.

[Rocker Ute]

I think the only question now is how prophetic is he movie Idiocracy?

Trump making personal anatomy references? Pretty soon he is going to start claiming he has the electrolytes we need.


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[SoCalPat]

Hard to believe Kasich is running a distant fourth to this group of stooges. He's the most qualified and accomplished by a country mile, plus, he has the most stable temperament and most likely able to work with the other party. Having said that, I held my nose and voted for Cruz because Kasich has zero shot of becoming the Repub nominee, and I'd rather have Cruz over Trump.

Rubio needs to get out. Right now. He's totally unqualified. He has no major accomplishments, is easily rattled, looks lost.......the Republican equivalent of an '08 Obama. If he cares at all about the party he'll get out before the Florida primary and throw all his support to Cruz. But, he won't because he's no less a narcissist than any of the other candidates, including Trump. Because the other 2 candidates won't get out right now, we're witnessing a quiet revolution in the republican party right before our eyes. A third of the party is consistently loyal to Trump, and if the convention is brokered and the nomination doesn't go to Trump, he'll take his following, run as a third party candidate and kill the republicans chances of winning, splitting the party forever.

Buckle up, because its Trump vs Hillary. This is gonna be painfully entertaining, but, a guaranteed train wreck in the end.

There's no way Rubio cannot ride this out through Florida. But he has to win his home state, if only for the fact that Cruz did. There is zero point to him being in the race if he doesn't win Florida, moreso if he loses decisively to Trump (Cruz finishing third here is a foregone conclusion).

[NorthwestUteFan]

I was under the impression that Sore Loser laws prevented Primary candidates from splitting off and running as 3rd party. But apparently those laws in most states do not apply to Presidential elections. Some states get around this by having a set date by which to simultaneously register for the Primary AND for the General elections.

I don't know whether Trump would be able to even register as a 3rd party candidate for, say, the Yellow Fox On His Head Party.

And the thought of the Republican Party refusing to select Trump as the candidate after he reaches 50% of the primary delegates is too strange to consider. Could they possibly go against 50%+ of their delegates and still remain viable as a party?

I think the one thing that will happen sooner than later will be to fire Reince Preibus, the RNC party chair.

[Devildog]

Yes. Trump is a mess. He should not be the President of the USA. Hillary Clinton is worse. Like it or not that is going to be the choice. I hate to even say it... lesser of two evils. Trump is going to win the republicans nomination. Hillary is going to win the democratic nomination.

This is going to be our choice. Suck it up buttercup.

Andrew Jackson it is. I'm gonna vote Trump over Hillary.

[NorthwestUteFan]

There is no possible a scenario where Donald Trump is the lesser of two evils to Hillary Clinton. Economy, foreign relations, use of military, veterans' issues, energy, climate, the environment, womens' issues, healthcare, education funding, etc. At the very worst she is equal to trump on a few issues. But she is so much better than him in every possible scenario. Simply the way he attempts to foment violence against protesters at his rallies shows that he lacks the temperament to handle situations where other parties disagree with him. His brash, boorish boardroom bullying may work in his business and on TV, but they are completely inappropriate coming from a world leader. He just has far too much in common with Mussolini in that sense to be considered a viable option for the most powerful country in the history of the planet.

And I say that as a person who really dislikes the Clintons.

[Rocker Ute]

If Hillary Clinton can get us running a budget surplus again like in the final years of Bill Clinton, then I'll take it. None of the candidates seem to want to do anything but increase our debt further. All of them are terrible candidates.

And it is crazy. Why is this? Have all the good people bowed out from the political process? Is it impossible for them to enter into it? Really disturbing the state of our leaders today.


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[Jarid in Cedar]

My vote is going to go to which VP candidate I think is best because they are going to be president within 2 years. Clinton likely gets taken down by the email scandal and investigation. And Trump taken down by his boorish behavior and utter disregard for the law and constitution.

VP's ftw....

[LA Ute]

This is a pretty thoughtful piece. Even all you godless communists might find some good points in it.

Culture Rot: Donald Trump Is the Effect, Not the Cause
(http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432380/donald-trump-culture-rot)

[LA Ute]

If Hillary Clinton can get us running a budget surplus again like in the final years of Bill Clinton, then I'll take it. None of the candidates seem to want to do anything but increase our debt further. All of them are terrible candidates.

We'll need divided government for that to happen. When Democrats have the White House and both houses of Congress, they go nuts. See the first two years of Bill Clinton's first term and the first two of Obama's. When Bill had to deal with Newt Gingrich because the GOP got control of Congress some good things got done because both sides had to -- gasp! -- compromise. Reagan had the Senate, but had to deal with Tip O'Neill and a Democratic House. Once again, some good things got done that would have been impossible if the GOP had held all the power (and they would have gone nuts too if they had).

[LA Ute]

There is no possible a scenario where Donald Trump is the lesser of two evils to Hillary Clinton. Economy, foreign relations, use of military, veterans' issues, energy, climate, the environment, womens' issues, healthcare, education funding, etc. At the very worst she is equal to trump on a few issues. But she is so much better than him in every possible scenario. Simply the way he attempts to foment violence against protesters at his rallies shows that he lacks the temperament to handle situations where other parties disagree with him. His brash, boorish boardroom bullying may work in his business and on TV, but they are completely inappropriate coming from a world leader. He just has far too much in common with Mussolini in that sense to be considered a viable option for the most powerful country in the history of the planet.

And I say that as a person who really dislikes the Clintons.

I do not want a Supreme Court composed of nine liberal justices. After 8 years of H. Clinton that's what we are likely to have. I also do not want a Supreme Court with nine conservative justices. There needs to be opposition. So that will be the tough question for me. Fortunately for me I live in California and my presidential vote won't matter. I think I will write in Carly Fiorina.

[concerned]

This pretty much sums it up

Matthew Dowd ‏@matthewjdowd (https://twitter.com/matthewjdowd) 3h3 hours ago (https://twitter.com/matthewjdowd/status/706127421670629378)
Said on @GMA (https://twitter.com/GMA) "trump is the roadrunner & the establishment is Wile E Coyote - every time they try and blow Trump up, it blows themselves up"

[NorthwestUteFan]

I think I will write in Carly Fiorina.

Well she killed her daughter, so at least she has that going for her.

[LA Ute]

Well she killed her daughter, so at least she has that going for her.

I actually know Carly and wonder why on earth you are saying such a thing.


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[Rocker Ute]

Well she killed her daughter, so at least she has that going for her.

Yeesh. What in the world?


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[LA Ute]

I actually know Carly and wonder why on earth you are saying such a thing.

‘I Have Buried a Child.’ (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/gop-debate-carly-fiorina-2016-i-buried-a-child-213306?o=0)

How Carly Fiorina has made the death of her addicted stepdaughter a central story in her campaign.
By Michael Kruse (http://www.politico.com/staff/michael-kruse)
November 01, 2015

[NorthwestUteFan]

Yeesh. What in the world?


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It was a poor attempt at humor. I admit to exploiting a tragic death for a joke. Similar to the way CF exploited the death for political gain.

[Rocker Ute]

It was a poor attempt at humor. I admit to exploiting a tragic death for a joke. Similar to the way CF exploited the death for political gain.

I never took you as one to pull something from the Trump playbook of politics. Get hold of yourself and return that self-tanning cream when it arrives.

[LA Ute]

It was a poor attempt at humor. I admit to exploiting a tragic death for a joke. Similar to the way CF exploited the death for political gain.

Even the guys at Politico don't think she did that. You're using a despicable talking point from the deranged segment of the Democrat opposition crowd.

[NorthwestUteFan]

It was a bad joke. I was in a bad mood. I apologize.
As penance I will write in Carly Fiorina.

[LA Ute]

It was a bad joke. I was in a bad mood. I apologize.
As penance I will write in Carly Fiorina.

OK. Now you're talking. You also have to draw a little heart after her name. Then all's well.


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[LuckyUte]

OK. Now you're talking. You also have to draw a little heart after her name. Then all's well.


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You have stated multiple times (if memory serves) that you are a Rubio guy. Why would you not write him in? Isn't he more qualified than Fiorina for the job?

[NorthwestUteFan]

OK. Now you're talking. You also have to draw a little heart after her name. Then all's well.


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And don't forget the hearts dotting the I.

[LA Ute]

You have stated multiple times (if memory serves) that you are a Rubio guy. Why would you not write him in? Isn't he more qualified than Fiorina for the job?

Great idea!!!


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[LA Ute]

I hope voters and opinion leaders read pieces like this one and THINK.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/where-populists-and-conservatives-cant-agree/article/2001424/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160306_TWS-blog-populism-conservatism-12_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS


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[Mormon Red Death]

https://youtu.be/Qg0pO9VG1J8

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[sancho]

Candidates favorite music:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/complete-guide-to-the-2016-candidates-favorite-music-20160201?page=8

Based on this alone, I think the order would have to go

Trump
Kasich
Christie
Huckabee
Sanders
Rubio
Carson
Bush
Fiorina
Clinton - hired a focus group to pick her favorite music for her

I didn't list "Martin O'Malley" because I've never heard of him and suspect he might not be real.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Bernie Sanders embraced his inner Cranky Old Jew essence in the debate last night and in my opinion lost the Primary.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Bernie Sanders embraced his inner Cranky Old Jew essence in the debate last night and in my opinion lost the Primary.

I thought the racial blind spot question was a great opportunity for one, if not both of them to come up with something special. Hillary avoided the question completely at the first go and Bernie stumbled all over himself by reducing black people to poor folks living in the ghetto. Oops.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

It is too bad that Bernie stumbled right there. As an activist he has been ahead of the curve on Civil Rights for over 5 decades.

Bernie's problem is that visionaries don't necessarily make good leaders. They can motivate grassroots people to action, and can lay out a course of action to achieve their vision, but are seemingly unable to gain political support directly from important politicians. Sometimes the strength of the argument alone isn't enough, you sometimes also need to bend around to scratch somebody's back to get them to support you.

[NorthwestUteFan]

So Trump could wrap up the nomination this weekend. How much time will pass before Kasich and Rubio kick themselves for not throwing their support to Cruz (to keep Trump from getting the nomination)? I know that would be an uncomfortable decision.

Trump seems to get 30% of the vote from Republican primary voters. But I have to wonder if that number mirrors his actual support by Republican voters. Of so, he might win the nomination but will get obliterated in the General Election.

[LA Ute]

So Trump could wrap up the nomination this weekend. How much time will pass before Kasich and Rubio kick themselves for not throwing their support to Cruz (to keep Trump from getting the nomination)? I know that would be an uncomfortable decision.

Trump seems to get 30% of the vote from Republican primary voters. But I have to wonder if that number mirrors his actual support by Republican voters. Of so, he might win the nomination but will get obliterated in the General Election.

Polls are showing, weirdly enough, that Trump also draws voters from the left. I guess they are angry too. That's one reason why he does better in open primaries than closed ones (in open primaries a voter need not have a declared party affiliation). Very strange and fascinating times.

[Applejack]

Polls are showing, weirdly enough, that Trump also draws voters from the left. I guess they are angry too. That's one reason why he does better in open primaries than closed ones (in open primaries a voter need not have a declared party affiliation). Very strange and fascinating times.
Haha. Keep beating that drum. Polls show trump with almost zero crossover appeal. Democrats may be a lot of things, but trump fans they are not.

[LA Ute]

Haha. Keep beating that drum. Polls show trump with almost zero crossover appeal. Democrats may be a lot of things, but trump fans they are not.

No, I'm talking about the polls that polling nerds read. Folks with lower education levels on both the far right and far left seem to like him. I don't remember where I saw that. But I don't really care if lefties support him or not. I know it's very important to you to beat your own drum -- that Trump is a creature of mainstream Republicanism -- but I'm just trying to understand what is happening. That Trump does better in open primaries than closed ones is not an insignificant fact.

This guy has a pretty interesting take:

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/03/07/sympathy-for-the-donaldites-n2129660

[U-Ute]

Haha. Keep beating that drum. Polls show trump with almost zero crossover appeal. Democrats may be a lot of things, but trump fans they are not.

Trump voters favor authoritarianism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/01/how-your-parenting-style-predicts-whether-you-support-donald-trump/

Which makes sense. These are people who are angry at the system and want someone with a forceful personality who will go in and fix it. The problem is I believe they overestimate the ability of a President to go in and make wholesale changes.

[LA Ute]

Trump voters favor authoritarianism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/01/how-your-parenting-style-predicts-whether-you-support-donald-trump/

Which makes sense. These are people who are angry at the system and want someone with a forceful personality who will go in and fix it. The problem is I believe they overestimate the ability of a President to go in and make wholesale changes.

Thanks. Another good analysis here from a conservative writer:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-return-of-the-1930s-1457396236

[LA Ute]

Trump voters favor authoritarianism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/01/how-your-parenting-style-predicts-whether-you-support-donald-trump/

Which makes sense. These are people who are angry at the system and want someone with a forceful personality who will go in and fix it. The problem is I believe they overestimate the ability of a President to go in and make wholesale changes.

This guy does a pretty deep dive too:

The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533#ixzz42LFSPKto)

[Applejack]

No, I'm talking about the polls that polling nerds read. Folks with lower education levels on both the far right and far left seem to like him. I don't remember where I saw that. But I don't really care if lefties support him or not. I know it's very important to you to beat your own drum -- that Trump is a creature of mainstream Republicanism -- but I'm just trying to understand what is happening. That Trump does better in open primaries than closed ones is not an insignificant fact.

This guy has a pretty interesting take:

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/03/07/sympathy-for-the-donaldites-n2129660

It is interesting - but it doesn't mean that democrats are coming out in big numbers for Trump. Here's an analysis from Redstate.com which blows the "it's the democrats" theory out of the water.

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/03/07/independents-democrats-really-behind-trumps-success-far/

[LA Ute]

It is interesting - but it doesn't mean that democrats are coming out in big numbers for Trump. Here's an analysis from Redstate.com which blows the "it's the democrats" theory out of the water.

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/03/07/independents-democrats-really-behind-trumps-success-far/

Nope, not coming out in big numbers. Has someone been pushing that idea? Trumpkins, trying to show how broad-based his support is?

[LA Ute]

Interesting poll shows that Trump's opponents all trounce him one-on-one:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-is-trounced-by-all-three-gop-rivals-poll-finds/article/2001461/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160308_TWS-blog-trump-trounced-3_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS

So one or more of them needs to get out.


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[LA Ute]

Angry White Males Propel Donald Trump—and Bernie Sanders

http://www.wsj.com/articles/angry-white-males-propel-donald-trumpand-bernie-sanders-1457495579?mod=e2fb

(Note to Applejack: I'm not sure I buy it either.)


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[Applejack]

Trump! He's a winner@!

[U-Ute]

Donald Trump supporters have sold out conservatism.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432487/donald-trump-conservative-supporters-have-sold-out

[SoCalPat]

Rubio failed because he forgot who he was.

He tried to out-conservative Cruz, and he tried to out-insult Trump. Both are fool's errands, and don't speak to his voting record or personality.

There are some battles you cannot expect to win. Rubio's campaign managers should never work in politics again. The damage they've done to Rubio's career is borderline irreparable. It's likely he'll never hold public office again after March 15, especially if he can't win 15 percent of the vote.

What Rubio's people have done would be akin to Chris Hill going to Kyle and insisting he can out-Mormon whomever the BYU head football coach is. It cannot be done.

[LA Ute]

Rubio failed because he forgot who he was.

He tried to out-conservative Cruz, and he tried to out-insult Trump. Both are fool's errands, and don't speak to his voting record or personality.

There are some battles you cannot expect to win. Rubio's campaign managers should never work in politics again. The damage they've done to Rubio's career is borderline irreparable. It's likely he'll never hold public office again after March 15, especially if he can't win 15 percent of the vote.

What Rubio's people have done would be akin to Chris Hill going to Kyle and insisting he can out-Mormon whomever the BYU head football coach is. It cannot be done.

Yep. He tried to fight Trump by being Trump. In the process I think he really did hurt Trump but he also killed his own chances. Can you say "kamikaze attack?"

[concerned]

Rubio failed because he forgot who he was.

He tried to out-conservative Cruz, and he tried to out-insult Trump. Both are fool's errands, and don't speak to his voting record or personality.

There are some battles you cannot expect to win. Rubio's campaign managers should never work in politics again. The damage they've done to Rubio's career is borderline irreparable. It's likely he'll never hold public office again after March 15, especially if he can't win 15 percent of the vote.

What Rubio's people have done would be akin to Chris Hill going to Kyle and insisting he can out-Mormon whomever the BYU head football coach is. It cannot be done.

Rubio did the damage to himself--starting when he decided not to run for the Senate, trashed it, and stopped showing up, then when he got the image of being the upstart betrayer of his mentor Bush, then when he tried to walk away from the Gang of 8. Then his robotic response in the New Hampshire debate Then he did everything you said.

unclear that he did much damage to Trump. As Mathew Dowd said, he is like Wily E. Cayote. He did the damage to himself, not the roadrunner..

I am not sure Rubio was ever a person who could have forgotten who he was, becuse he was a Zelig.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Yep. He tried to fight Trump by being Trump. In the process I think he really did hurt Trump but he also killed his own chances. Can you say "kami-Christie attack?"

FIFY


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[Rocker Ute]

If your name is Mitt Romney and you want a brokered convention then you want all four candidates to remain.

I'm kind of interested now that if Trump didn't get the nomination because I believe that Clinton would actually win Utah.


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[LA Ute]

I just want to thank all my Democratic friends here who helpfully explain to me the ins and outs of my party's primary process. A plague on all your houses. And of course I am not just a bitter Rubio supporter. 😉

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I just want to thank all my Democratic friends here who helpfully explain to me the ins and outs of my party's primary process. A plague on all your houses. And of course I am not just a bitter Rubio supporter. 😉

How do you feel about Fiorina's endorsement today?


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[Applejack]

If your name is Mitt Romney and you want a brokered convention then you want all four candidates to remain.

I'm kind of interested now that if Trump didn't get the nomination because I believe that Clinton would actually win Utah.


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You must be joking. Utah would never vote for a democrat and CERTAINLY won't vote for Hillary. you could have Hitler (R) running against hulk Hogan/Captain America (D) and it would be a republican victory.

[Applejack]

I just want to thank all my Democratic friends here who helpfully explain to me the ins and outs of my party's primary process. A plague on all your houses. And of course I am not just a bitter Rubio supporter. 

Did you donate?

[concerned]

I just want to thank all my Democratic friends here who helpfully explain to me the ins and outs of my party's primary process. A plague on all your houses. And of course I am not just a bitter Rubio supporter. 


This year's general election is going to set some kind of record for cynicism and negative feel-good (whatever that is).


What a dispiriting election.

BTW--I saw this and laughed--Trump isnt Obama's fault, as Jindel said. Trump is Al Franken's fault. Who knew.

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/620757?unlock=8FN44MUZAMAANTMD&mref=homepage-free

[LA Ute]

How do you feel about Fiorina's endorsement today?


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Meh. She wants to be in someone's cabinet and has no shot at Trump's if he has one. Next to the orange-headed gasbag, Cruz has the best chance of winning. Which says a lot.


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[Rocker Ute]

You must be joking. Utah would never vote for a democrat and CERTAINLY won't vote for Hillary. you could have Hitler (R) running against hulk Hogan/Captain America (D) and it would be a republican victory.

Not as crazy as you think...

http://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/8214-poll-trump-barely-beats-clinton-head-to-head-in-utah


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[Scratch]

You must be joking. Utah would never vote for a democrat and CERTAINLY won't vote for Hillary. you could have Hitler (R) running against hulk Hogan/Captain America (D) and it would be a republican victory.

Everybody knows he was good at the beginning but he just went too far.

[Scratch]

Everybody knows he was good at the beginning but he just went too far.

And I assume everyone knows where that statement is coming from.

[sancho]

Not as crazy as you think...

http://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/8214-poll-trump-barely-beats-clinton-head-to-head-in-utah



Those poll numbers would change once it came down to one republican vs one democrat, especially if the democrat were not all that well liked.

[Sullyute]

And I assume everyone knows where that statement is coming from.

Please enlighten me.

[U-Ute]

Please enlighten me.

I had to Google it (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=hitler+was+good+at+beginning+went+too+far) myself:


Hitler was good in the beginning, but he went too far.

[LA Ute]

Carly Fiorina endorsing Cruz:


Ted Cruz has always been a constitutional conservative. He is a fearless fighter and reformer, and he didn't much care whether he got invited to the cocktail parties in D.C. We know Ted Cruz is a fearless constitutional conservative because he has fought for our liberties over and over again....

Now, you know there are some people in our party now who are saying Donald Trump wouldn't be so bad. I mean, okay, maybe he's a liberal, maybe he's a fraud but at least he's a deal maker. We can make deals with him. Here's the thing. The truth is, that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are two sides of the same coin. They are not going to reform the system. They are the system. Hillary Clinton has made millions of dollars selling access and influence from the inside, and Donald Trump has made billions of dollars buying people like Hillary Clinton. They are the system. They will not reform it. And so when the establishment says Ted Cruz is too conservative, he's too much of a fighter, he won't get along, I say, you go, Ted!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/fiorina-it-is-time-to-unite-behind-ted-cruz/article/2001466/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=20160309_TWS-blog-carly-endorse-cruz-5_facebook.com&utm_content=TWS

[NorthwestUteFan]

Breitbart's remaining credibility died with Andrew Breitbart.
Last week a female Breitbart reporter was physically attacked by a Trump campaign staffer at a political event (she asked a question and Corey Lewendowski grabbed her by The arm and yanked her out of the way). The assault was corroborated by a Washington Post reporter who was an eyewitness. Breitbart published an article defending the Trump campaign, and now the reporter (Michelle Fields) who was attacked, spokesman Kurt Bardella, and editor Ben Shapiro have resigned in protest.

Over the weekend a Breitbart manager ordered employees to stop writing/tweeting anything supportive of Michelle Fields.

It is fascinating to watch a Conservative media outlet demolish itself over Trump. Breitbart in particular has been a cheerleader for Trump. I can see why they would position themselves as pro-Trump in order to appear to be anti-Republican-Establishment. Fox News, the Weekly Standard, National Review, etc, have been labelled as Republican Establishment mouthpieces by Trump supporters every time they publish articles or statements critical of Trump.

Even Glenn Beck has compared Breitbart's managing editor to Joseph Goebbels.

[LA Ute]

I never liked the Breitbart bunch, but they at least ran a respectable organization and had something important to say. It looks like they have now gone into the tank for this authoritarian monstrosity.


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[LA Ute]

Great Ross Douthat piece:

The party still decides

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/opinion/sunday/the-party-still-decides.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/


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[NorthwestUteFan]

The Evil Empire wins Florida, Kasich wins Ohio, and Rubio drops out. Busy day.

[sancho]

The Evil Empire wins Florida, Kasich wins Ohio, and Rubio drops out. Busy day.

How's my man Bernie doing?

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I found this in my six year old's school folder tonight. Cracked me up. I love how his teacher adds the "again." Hey lady! The kid says he's a Democrat. That means America hasn't ever even been great yet.

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[Sullyute]

That is awesome!

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[Diehard Ute]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2R0aGz3xItkVZc5O/giphy.gif

[U-Ute]

Trump names foreign policy adviser: his good brain. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/273197-trumps-top-foreign-policy-advisor-im-speaking-with-myself)


Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump (http://thehill.com/people/donald-trump), who has long shied away from naming any foreign policy advisors, suggested Wednesday that he was his own top consultant on the issue.

"I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain, and I've said a lot of things," Trump said during a telephone interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

Trump pointed to his 2000 book, where he made a reference (http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/trumps-bin-laden-prediction/) to Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are," Trump said.

"But I speak to a lot of people, but my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff,” he added.

[Diehard Ute]

Trump names foreign policy adviser: his good brain. (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/273197-trumps-top-foreign-policy-advisor-im-speaking-with-myself)

He scares me.

Having a guy like Mitch McConnel with him scares me even more.

I'm independent, I've voted republican in elections. But the presidential race and the senates arrogant grandstanding have just about ended that for me.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

The thing that scares me the most is to see how the xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, and vitriolic elements of society seem to be attracted to Trump. I don't think he incites them necessarily, but he certainly doesn't do anything to inhibit them either.

[LA Ute]

The thing that scares me the most is to see how the xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, and vitriolic elements of society seem to be attracted to Trump. I don't think he incites them necessarily, but he certainly doesn't do anything to inhibit them either.

The guy's a menace.

[Diehard Ute]

The thing that scares me the most is to see how the xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, and vitriolic elements of society seem to be attracted to Trump. I don't think he incites them necessarily, but he certainly doesn't do anything to inhibit them either.

He absolutely incites them.

That's part of his strategy.

Saying there will be riots if he isn't the nominee? That's inciting. Someone who just has those folks attracted to them would purposefully plead for that not to happen. By saying it will happen he's endorsing the action.




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[NorthwestUteFan]

I didn't see the riot comment. Wow. The A return of Il Duce. Or El Douché.

[LA Ute]

I didn't see the riot comment. Wow. The A return of Il Duce. Or El Douché.

I no longer use his name in conversation. I simply refer to him as "that man." (Which is how Churchill referred to Hitler. Yes, I stole the idea. Keep in mind that I am a life-long center-right Republican. I cannot stand that man.)

[NorthwestUteFan]

I think Mussolini is a better analogy. What did Churchill call him? I think it was "Absurd Imposter". That seems to be more fitting for T-Rump.

[Diehard Ute]

Well, brace yourselves Utahn's. That man is coming to town tomorrow.


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[Rocker Ute]

Well, brace yourselves Utahn's. That man is coming to town tomorrow.


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I've been dreaming of a way that I could snub him publicly.