Bring Home the Beehive Boot: Utes vs Agriculturalists

[Redbird]

A rare Friday night kickoff for Utah.

USU was on the ropes at home to SUU. I expect them to be markedly better and more focused at RES. Still, I expect Utah to win by 10-14 points.

[LA Ute]

A rare Friday night kickoff for Utah.

USU was on the ropes at home to SUU. I expect them to be markedly better and more focused at RES. Still, I expect Utah to win by 10-14 points.

It would be good for this team to have a convincing, confidence-building win.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I want Kyle to go for the kill after getting them on the ropes. I want to win be 21+, and to have zero injuries to both teams.

Then I want Chris Hill to swap USU for byu in half of the future schedules.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I want Kyle to go for the kill after getting them on the ropes. I want to win be 21+, and to have zero injuries to both teams.

Then I want Chris Hill to swap USU for byu in half of the future schedules.

As an Aggie alum, I concur with this sediment.

[LA Ute]

I want Kyle to go for the kill after getting them on the ropes.

As opposed to getting a 10-point lead and then relying on the D to protect it?


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[LA Ute]

Kyle wants this just as much as we do. The whole "conservative Kyle" thing has taken on a silly life of its own thanks to the internet. He has never been afraid to score points. He's just smart about his team.

I'll be very happy to eat crow if events prove me wrong. All the info I have tells me that Kyle prizes defense above all else, thinks the offense's job is to score just enough points to allow the D to win the game, and generally that Kyle just doesn't have an offense-oriented mindset. It's not in his DNA. So he's our guy, he's brought me lots of joy as a Utes fan, he's an exceptional human being and a very nice man. I'm proud he's our head coach. I'm just not in love with the way he approaches the offensive part of the game.


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[UTEopia]

I don't know what to expect from this game. I did not see the USU/SUU game so I have nothing other than the score to make a judgment. How good was Michigan? Again, not sure. What I hope to see:

1. Much improved blocking from the OL, the TE's and especially the WR's. Michigan dominated our OL and even if Michigan's defense is very good, we still have a number of very good defenses left to play. Our blocking needs to have dramatic improvement for this season to meet expectations.

2. Less confusion in pass coverage.

3. Back - up LB's giving Norris and Paul a break.

4. Joe Williams get 7 or 8 carries when the game is still competitive.

5. A convincing win.

[USS Utah]

I'll be very happy to eat crow if events prove me wrong. All the info I have tells me that Kyle prizes defense above all else, thinks the offense's job is to score just enough points to allow the D to win the game, and generally that Kyle just doesn't have an offense-oriented mindset. It's not in his DNA. So he's our guy, he's brought me lots of joy as a Utes fan, he's an exceptional human being and a very nice man. I'm proud he's our head coach. I'm just not in love with the way he approaches the offensive part of the game.

I'm not an insider. I have no information besides what I see, read and hear in local and national coverage, and on the net at this site and UF.N. Even so, I think this conservative Kyle theory is nonsense. Yes, Whit is a defensive minded coach, having played defense in college and having been a defensive coach throughout most of his career before becoming a head coach. But the idea that he limits the offense to scoring just enough points so the defense can win the game is just plain silly. And there are plenty of examples of games where Utah put up a lot of points, granted, mostly in the pre-Pac-12 days. This theory may have been lurking around for a few years -- I think there has always been a number of Ute fans who have been envious of BYU's pass happy offense, and I even met people who preferred Fassell over Mac because the former scored more points -- but I think it really came to the fore after the UCLA game last year when KT centered the ball for the winning FG. The theory was then given more fuel by the struggles of the passing game through the second half the of season. The passing game on Thursday was more creative than last years, with more throws over the middle, but right now Utah lacks a deep threat, and until a WR steps forward to be that threat, it makes little sense to throw deep in the name of scoring more points and not being conservative.

[LA Ute]

I'm not an insider. I have no information besides what I see, read and hear in local and national coverage, and on the net at this site and UF.N. Even so, I think this conservative Kyle theory is nonsense. Yes, Whit is a defensive minded coach, having played defense in college and having been a defensive coach throughout most of his career before becoming a head coach. But the idea that he limits the offense to scoring just enough points so the defense can win the game is just plain silly.And there are plenty of examples of games where Utah put up a lot of points, granted, mostly in the pre-Pac-12 days. This theory may have been lurking around for a few years -- I think there has always been a number of Ute fans who have been envious of BYU's pass happy offense, and I even met people who preferred Fassell over Mac because the former scored more points -- but I think it really came to the fore after the UCLA game last year when KT centered the ball for the winning FG. The theory was then given more fuel by the struggles of the passing game through the second half the of season. The passing game on Thursday was more creative than last years, with more throws over the middle, but right now Utah lacks a deep threat, and until a WR steps forward to be that threat, it makes little sense to throw deep in the name of scoring more points and not being conservative.

I am not suggesting any of the bolded points above. They're insulting to the intelligence of any Utah fan who's paying attention. Why are you raising them?

[UTEopia]

I'll be very happy to eat crow if events prove me wrong. All the info I have tells me that Kyle prizes defense above all else, thinks the offense's job is to score just enough points to allow the D to win the game, and generally that Kyle just doesn't have an offense-oriented mindset. It's not in his DNA. So he's our guy, he's brought me lots of joy as a Utes fan, he's an exceptional human being and a very nice man. I'm proud he's our head coach. I'm just not in love with the way he approaches the offensive part of the game.


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I believe that Kyle will always make the conservative choice in all phases of the game if the score, time remaining and quality of the opponent suggest to him that this is the most likely way to win the game. I believe that the percentages will back him up. There have been and will be games when the percentages will go against that strategy. But that is true regardless of the choice you make.

[Ma'ake]

I believe that Kyle will always make the conservative choice in all phases of the game if the score, time remaining and quality of the opponent suggest to him that this is the most likely way to win the game. I believe that the percentages will back him up. There have been and will be games when the percentages will go against that strategy. But that is true regardless of the choice you make.

I agree with KW's innate conservative tendency, but he also knows it's very difficult - and risky - to rely on a grind-it-out offense in the PAC. Last year's offensive production had as much to do with Dave Christensen's effect on everyone else as it did with KW deciding to let the defense and our kickers decide games. The Sugar Bowl is the classic example of KW letting the offense loose, but even in that game, that strategy was the most likely to get the W, because getting into a slugfest with Alabama was a sure way to lose the game.

After a good showing by the offense vs Michigan, I think KW will loosen the reigns a bit more with these next two games, to help develop the offense and get the young WRs tasting some success. The next two weeks could be interesting with Booker, because he'll want to go for 200 yards both games, but KW will want to keep him in the freezer and let Joe Williams and Marcus Sanders-Williams carry the run load.

Getting the team focused for a USU team that will be on a redemption campaign will be a test for player leadership.

[concerned]

I agree with KW's innate conservative tendency, but he also knows it's very difficult - and risky - to rely on a grind-it-out offense in the PAC. Last year's offensive production had as much to do with Dave Christensen's effect on everyone else as it did with KW deciding to let the defense and our kickers decide games. The Sugar Bowl is the classic example of KW letting the offense loose, but even in that game, that strategy was the most likely to get the W, because getting into a slugfest with Alabama was a sure way to lose the game.

After a good showing by the offense vs Michigan, I think KW will loosen the reigns a bit more with these next two games, to help develop the offense and get the young WRs tasting some success. The next two weeks could be interesting with Booker, because he'll want to go for 200 yards both games, but KW will want to keep him in the freezer and let Joe Williams and Marcus Sanders-Williams carry the run load.

Getting the team focused for a USU team that will be on a redemption campaign will be a test for player leadership.

The offense was high octane against csu in the kv bowl too. Was that because DC was effectively goNE at that point, because it was a lesser opponent, because we had a month to prepare, or all of the above? In other words, was that an anomaly for DC or do harding and a rod deserve the credit?

[U-Ute]

Domo reinstated per Whittingham on his weekly show. Coach's decision.

[LA Ute]

Domo reinstated per Whittingham on his weekly show. Coach's decision.

I wonder how quickly he'll be back on the field?

[Redbird]

I wonder how quickly he'll be back on the field?

I would guess he's transitioned over the next two weeks (depending on fitness level) to be fully ready for Oregon. If that means a percentage of snaps the next two games or something else, I don't know.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I wonder if this gives CBB time on offense or if CBB's production bumps Domo to offense for a stint since that was his original position.

[USS Utah]

I am not suggesting any of the bolded points above. They're insulting to the intelligence of any Utah fan who's paying attention. Why are you raising them?

I still think the conservative Kyle narrative is nonsense. Yes, I do think Kyle would prefer a ball control type offense, and he certainly has a preference for establishing the run. This is very different from the philosophy of other teams which like to jump out to quick leads and then score as many points as possible.

At the same time, however, Whit has hired OCs to run an uptempo, no huddle offense -- or at least to give Utah that capability. This alone seems to argue against the idea that Kyle thinks "the offense's job is to score just enough points to allow the D to win the game".

[LA Ute]

I still think the conservative Kyle narrative is nonsense. Yes, I do think Kyle would prefer a ball control type offense, and he certainly has a preference for establishing the run. This is very different from the philosophy of other teams which like to jump out to quick leads and then score as many points as possible.

At the same time, however, Whit has hired OCs to run an uptempo, no huddle offense -- or at least to give Utah that capability. This alone seems to argue against the idea that Kyle thinks "the offense's job is to score just enough points to allow the D to win the game".

Peace, my Ute brother, and Go Utes!

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[Applejack]

Domo reinstated per Whittingham on his weekly show. Coach's decision.

:jig:

[LA Ute]

One thing to watch in this game is how well our WRs and TEs block. Peppers made them look bad in the Michigan game, but he can't be the explanation for all of it. I bet they are working on it this week and that we'll see improvement against USU.

[Applejack]

I haven't followed the Aggies this summer, but what I do know is they have a heisman finalist at QB. I expect downtown SLC to come out to catch a glimpse of the greatest-QB-ever-to-play-a-game-in-Utah-except-for-JIM-HARBAUGH-who-was-really-a-coach-but-he-was-amazing, Chuckie Keaton.

[DrumNFeather]

I know very little about USU. I know Chuckie, and I am vaguely aware of a couple of defensive standouts. What else do I need to know?
Isn't chuckie coming off back to back season ending injuries? Also, a failed transfer to Oregon St.

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[UtahsMrSports]

I listened to Al Lewis on the zone. Al is the Utah St Greg Wrubell, and amazingly enough, he is more of a homer.

He said the Aggies are without most of their receivers. He says something is not right with Chuckie.

Basically, this is not the team that came here in 2013. Defensively, they are solid. Not much offense though.

[Applejack]

Evan moeai is done for the year.

[DrumNFeather]

Evan moeai is done for the year.
Really unfortunate. Opens the door for guys like Handley & Repp.

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[NorthwestUteFan]

First game of the season, two years in a row. That is awful for Evan. He was set to have a Breakout year in an offense that actually throws to the TE.

What happened to Wallace Gonzales? Wasn't he supposed to be a stud TE?

[LA Ute]

First game of the season, two years in a row. That is awful for Evan. He was set to have a Breakout year in an offense that actually throws to the TE.

What happened to Wallace Gonzales? Wasn't he supposed to be a stud TE?

I think he was moved to the defense. But it looks like that was an
experiment:

http://www.utahutes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wallace_gonzalez_913722.html

He's coming off a medical redshirt year now.

[hostile]

Evan moeai is done for the year.
Crap. I re watched that play a few times. Still not sure how that injury happened.

[SoCalPat]

Kyle wants this just as much as we do. The whole "conservative Kyle" thing has taken on a silly life of its own thanks to the internet. He has never been afraid to score points. He's just smart about his team.

I agree, it's totally overblown. There isn't a coach alive who would rather win by 7 instead of 27. And we've lit up the scoreboard against inferior foes in the past.

Kyle does have some wires crossed when it comes to singular decisions on fourth down (he's not the only coach), but that's due to misguided, antiquated thinking across the entire football community that he's grown up in, and not because he wants his defense to "win the game" for him.

[U-Ute]

Crap. I re watched that play a few times. Still not sure how that injury happened.

I remember when it happened. From my perspective at the game, when he planted to turn inside, it looked really awkward so I wasn't wholly surprised when he called for help after the play was over. At the time, I thought he had rolled an ankle on his plant foot or something. When I watched the replay of it on TV it wasn't as obvious that something went wrong. So I'm suspecting that he somehow hurt his ankle or foot when he planted it.

[LA Ute]

I agree, it's totally overblown. There isn't a coach alive who would rather win by 7 instead of 27. And we've lit up the scoreboard against inferior foes in the past.

Kyle does have some wires crossed when it comes to singular decisions on fourth down (he's not the only coach), but that's due to misguided, antiquated thinking across the entire football community that he's grown up in, and not because he wants his defense to "win the game" for him.

He wants to play the percentages and as many have noted here, he usually gets them right. I remain convinced that when it comes to the importance of offense vs. defense, in his heart of hearts he thinks defense is king. There are lots of people who've been close to him over the years who tell me this. His OC hiring pattern is largely the result of his defense-oriented view. (It helps explain the Brian Johnson hire.) That doesn't mean Kyle's a bad coach at all; it just means that's who he is and we can't expect him to change. I do think he's more serious about who serves as OC now. I hope so, at least.

[SoCalPat]

Utah opens as a 12.5 favorite and the books offer 13.5. Total is a juicy 44.5. You have to go back to 2005 to find a Utah-USU game with fewer points, and USU was in the first year of a HC (Brent Guy) who proved in a landslide to be the least-successful coach USU has ever had. My two-teamer last week with under 46 in Utah-Michigan and Minnesota +16.5 hit; you can bet I'm finding a parlay this weekend that incorporates the over in Utah-USU.

[utefan]

Utah opens as a 12.5 favorite and the books offer 13.5. Total is a juicy 44.5. You have to go back to 2005 to find a Utah-USU game with fewer points, and USU was in the first year of a HC (Brent Guy) who proved in a landslide to be the least-successful coach USU has ever had. My two-teamer last week with under 46 in Utah-Michigan and Minnesota +16.5 hit; you can bet I'm finding a parlay this weekend that incorporates the over in Utah-USU.
Utah State put up 12 last week at home against Southern Utah. 34 - 10 isn't a stretch.

[SoCalPat]

Also, discount the closeness of our last two games vs. USU. The two greatest years for USU football ever, and two of our worst in the last 20. Prior to 2012, Utah had won by more points than this week's spread in 9 of 10 meetings. When we're good -- and we're good this year -- we win comfortably. Before this line gets to 14, I'm getting my money down on Utah and the over.

[SoCalPat]

Utah State put up 12 last week at home against Southern Utah. 34 - 10 isn't a stretch.

I refuse to believe that SUU could hold another MWC team to just 12 points. That game has outlier written all over it.

[Diehard Ute]

I refuse to believe that SUU could hold another MWC team to just 12 points. That game has outlier written all over it.

And 7 of the 12 were an 88 yard punt return.


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[Diehard Ute]

I'll just leave this right here

@Hunter_A_Sharp: Armed burglary and he's back. Meanwhile in Logan, Utah...

https://twitter.com/hunter_a_sharp/status/641302765042466816


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[SoCalPat]

I'll just leave this right here

@Hunter_A_Sharp: Armed burglary and he's back. Meanwhile in Logan, Utah...

https://twitter.com/hunter_a_sharp/status/641302765042466816


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Wow. That's USU's top WR.

[Solon]

And 7 of the 12 were an 88 yard punt return.


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& 2 more were on the return of a blocked PAT.

SUU's defense held USU's offense to 3 points.

SUU has some players on defense. Overall, I agree with SCP that it shouldn't be close, but the T-Birds have at least one kid who will probably) play in the League (Killebrew) and two others who have garnered some attention from NFL scouts.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I'll just leave this right here

@Hunter_A_Sharp: Armed burglary and he's back. Meanwhile in Logan, Utah...

https://twitter.com/hunter_a_sharp/status/641302765042466816


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I think Domo's status for Friday just went from "Uncertain" to "Most definitely."

[Redbird]

What did the tweet say? It's a broken link for me.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

What did the tweet say? It's a broken link for me.


I'll just leave this right here

@Hunter_A_Sharp: Armed burglary and he's back. Meanwhile in Logan, Utah...

https://twitter.com/hunter_a_sharp/status/641302765042466816


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Upon second read, his point is probably to complain about the length of his suspension. Can't decide if that makes his post better or worse.

[U-Ute]

What did the tweet say? It's a broken link for me.

I suspect that the USU coaching staff "strongly encouraged" him to take it down.


:rofl:

[NorthwestUteFan]

What is he suspended for?

[Diehard Ute]

If you're going to spout off about your opponent for the week, you should probably at least get the charge he was falsely accused of correct ;) (and the tweet was up for several hours before it was removed. The text above the link is the tweet)


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[NorthwestUteFan]

What is he suspended for?

"Team rules violation".

[Diehard Ute]

What is he suspended for?

That seems to be a great mystery.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

That seems to be a great mystery.


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Is it? Everyone on Twitter seems to know that it was for smoking weed.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Is it? Everyone on Twitter seems to know that it was for smoking weed.

4UUPY902Ph0

[chrisrenrut]

Utes going black helmet, red jersey, white pants. This breaks the rules. Reminder of the rules:

1) Any red/white (no black) combo is ok.

2) Black/white (no red) is ok once a year.

I don't know why we keep breaking these.

Because the players choose. Have you seen the way kids dress these days? Oh crap, I'm old.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I've always been curious about this process. We get a peek into decals.

https://twitter.com/utesequipment/status/641631947052052480

[mUUser]

Utes going black helmet, red jersey, white pants. This breaks the rules. Reminder of the rules:

1) Any red/white (no black) combo is ok.

2) Black/white (no red) is ok once a year.

I don't know why we keep breaking these.

Nothing beats the red helmet with white unis. But, let's give it a chance.....

although every combination looks like complete crap with the mountains on the sleeves. Can't even bother to put the "U" on the mountain? Horrible, horrible, horrible.

[Rocker Ute]

I get the uniform thing is important to recruits and stuff... but hasn't it reached the point of ridiculousness?

White helmet, red helmet, red matte finish, black matte finish, throwback helmet... Uniforms to match and accessories like gloves and shoes. I can't imagine what that costs and as I think back to my 18-22 years I can't remember caring about what I wore even remotely on that level (which happened to be about 10x above what I care about now).

Yes I'm old, but Oregon has ruined college football. Get off my lawn and keep it down over there.

[SoCalPat]

I get the uniform thing is important to recruits and stuff... but hasn't it reached the point of ridiculousness?

White helmet, red helmet, red matte finish, black matte finish, throwback helmet... Uniforms to match and accessories like gloves and shoes. I can't imagine what that costs and as I think back to my 18-22 years I can't remember caring about what I wore even remotely on that level (which happened to be about 10x above what I care about now).

Yes I'm old, but Oregon has ruined college football. Get off my lawn and keep it down over there.

All of this times 1,000,000,000,000. But it's how the game is played today, and we gotta go along. I pay zero attention to it, but I won't intrude on those who do.

[LA Ute]

All of this times 1,000,000,000,000. But it's how the game is played today, and we gotta go along. I pay zero attention to it, but I won't intrude on those who do.

I'm learning to ignore it.

[utefan]

Utes going black helmet, red jersey, white pants. This breaks the rules. Reminder of the rules:

1) Any red/white (no black) combo is ok.

2) Black/white (no red) is ok once a year.

I don't know why we keep breaking these.

I prefer the red and black combos.

Black helmet, red jersey, black pants.

Red helmet, black jersey, red pants.

Something like that anyway. Skip the white.

[jrj84105]

Utes going black helmet, red jersey, white pants. This breaks the rules. Reminder of the rules:

1) Any red/white (no black) combo is ok.

2) Black/white (no red) is ok once a year.

I don't know why we keep breaking these.

Gross. Black and red shouldn't be mixed.

[Solon]

Gross. Black and red shouldn't be mixed.
Looks good at SUU, though...

[U-Ute]

I get the uniform thing is important to recruits and stuff... but hasn't it reached the point of ridiculousness?

White helmet, red helmet, red matte finish, black matte finish, throwback helmet... Uniforms to match and accessories like gloves and shoes. I can't imagine what that costs and as I think back to my 18-22 years I can't remember caring about what I wore even remotely on that level (which happened to be about 10x above what I care about now).

Yes I'm old, but Oregon has ruined college football. Get off my lawn and keep it down over there.

I seem to remember a post from someone (Diehard?) who said that each helmet was a couple of hundred bucks apiece too.

Its definitely a game only the rich schools can play.

[U-Ute]

Gross. Black and red shouldn't be mixed.

It was tweeted as an homage to Jamaal Anderson's Dirty Bird days.

I don't know if that is true or not, but I like it when we promote our guys.

[Diehard Ute]

It was tweeted as an homage to Jamaal Anderson's Dirty Bird days.

I don't know if that is true or not, but I like it when we promote our guys.

Also to Paul Soliai


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[Diehard Ute]

I seem to remember a post from someone (Diehard?) who said that each helmet was a couple of hundred bucks apiece too.

Its definitely a game only the rich schools can play.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9829911/uni-watch-explosion-college-football-helmets


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[Diehard Ute]

Wilner picks Utah to win but not cover:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/09/10/pac-12-football-picks-of-the-week-20/

Based mostly on games that were 3-4 years ago it seems


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Based mostly on games that were 3-4 years ago it seems


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And his indigestion talking to him about Michigan.

[USS Utah]

Wilner picks Utah to win but not cover:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/09/10/pac-12-football-picks-of-the-week-20/

If Michigan is not very good, then USU must be downright awful after barely beating an FCS team at home last week.

[Diehard Ute]

The back of tomorrow's helmets

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/10/c682e8682287f36a457edae3e6b72c01.jpg


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[utefan]

The back of tomorrow's helmets

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/10/c682e8682287f36a457edae3e6b72c01.jpg


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I don't think it could possibly be more awesome than that.

[Devildog]

I think a lot of Utah fans believe this years team is going to be a good Utah football team. Expectations are high for the season. I think tonight will show us that those expectations are in line with reality. We are going to boat race USU.

[Solon]

I think a lot of Utah fans believe this years team is going to be a good Utah football team. Expectations are high for the season. I think tonight will show us that those expectations are in line with reality. We are going to boat race USU.
I hope so. I want this game to be out of reach early on.

[U-Ute]

Tim Patrick dressed for warm ups.

https://twitter.com/utahathletics/status/642494239859838976

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Hopefully USU didn't have time to watch the Serena Williams match today. :nervous:

[Redbird]

I think a lot of Utah fans believe this years team is going to be a good Utah football team. Expectations are high for the season. I think tonight will show us that those expectations are in line with reality. We are going to boat race USU.

Why would anyone legitimize their views on Utah in a game against Utah St, especially if they're positive?

[Redbird]

We're in the middle of the first drive, but the offensive line isn't winning the LOS in the run game.

[Redbird]

Inverted veer FTW!

[hostile]

Nice opening drive.

btw, tooblue, I am in Seattle watching the game on ESPN2. I hope you are able to watch in Canada.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Let's see some defense now.

[U-Ute]

At the Herriman football game tonight. If we lose it is my fault.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

We already have more first downs than SUU. That's a good sign.

[Redbird]

A lot of empty chairbacks on the east side of the stadium.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Chuckie chuckin'.

[Redbird]

That was, uh, ill-advised from Keeton.

[hostile]

Get out of the way, Travis.

[Mormon Red Death]

Nice opening drive.

btw, tooblue, I am in Seattle watching the game on ESPN2. I hope you are able to watch in Canada.
Im in Hilton Head SC at the hotel room and the game is on in my hotel room!

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[hostile]

Im in Hilton Head SC at the hotel room and the game is on in my hotel room!

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:highfive:
have a great vacation.

[AnestheUte]

What the heck happened there? A phantom penalty?

[DrumNFeather]

That was, uh, ill-advised from Keeton.
Talk about a guy who's career has been derailed by injuries. He was so good his first two years there.

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[Redbird]

weird, weird sequence. they showed who the penalty was (allegedly) called on, but not only was it weak, but there wasn't a physical flag thrown. Certainly not in the area of where the penalty (allegedly) occurred.

[DrumNFeather]

Mack Brown really did his homework...

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[U-Ute]

@kylegoon: Chuckie Keeton limping on the field. That's always a bad sign.

I'd fake an injury at this point too.

[LA Ute]

Costly penalty


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[LA Ute]

Is it just me or is USU mostly owning our D line?


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[hostile]

Is it just me or is USU mostly owning our D line?


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Mostly. Looks like they are playing to keep Keeton contained leaving room for the RB

[LA Ute]

Mostly. Looks like they are playing to keep Keeton contained leaving room for the RB

The edges seem to be our weak spot right now.


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[AnestheUte]

Feces

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

This game has been super ugly so far.

[AnestheUte]

This game has been super ugly so far.

Yep. Injuries, weird calls, lots of commercial breaks...

[LA Ute]

Got burned on that blitz.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Wow Williams. Really?!

[LA Ute]

Maybe we can get into a rhythm now.


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[LA Ute]

Maybe we can get into a rhythm now.


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Maybe we can stop with the penalties now.


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[LA Ute]

Strange call on 3rd and 5.


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[AnestheUte]

Somehow the team got really bogged down. It looks like they're running in mud out there. Gotta re-ignite the fire they started the game with.

[mpfunk]

Well, we still suck on offense.

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[chrisrenrut]

Nice opening drive.

btw, tooblue, I am in Seattle watching the game on ESPN2. I hope you are able to watch in Canada.

I'm in Vancouver, BC, and can't watch the game. But only because I am shepherding my wife around Granville Island trying to keep her from draining the bank account. Actually, I don't think our hotel gets ESPN2 with its cable package. Every sports station I can find (TSN, although it uses the ESPN music) had baseball, hockey, or curling on it.

[LA Ute]

Sadly, these two teams look evenly matched right now.


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[LA Ute]

The angry giraffe returns.


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[Redbird]

Wilson on the sideline. Yay.

[hostile]

The angry giraffe returns.


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Along with an injury :(

[Redbird]

I do not like playing usu.

Chris Hill needs to stop scheduling these dirty pricks. There's nothing to gain from this game, and the emotion distracts from P12 play.

[LA Ute]

Such uneven play tonight. Phillips kicks off out of bounds???


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[Redbird]

Such uneven play tonight. Phillips kicks off out of bounds???


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Phillips and Booker look like much lesser versions of their 2014 counterparts ~10% into the season.

[LA Ute]

Along with an injury :(

Hoping it's not serious.

Meanwhile, we don't seem mentally sharp at all.


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[Redbird]

excellent defensive stand.

[DrumNFeather]

Paul with the stop, then hops on the bike!

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[hostile]

Hoping it's not serious.

Meanwhile, we don't seem mentally sharp at all.


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Looks like his non throwing shoulder. AC separation?

[LA Ute]

Looks like his non throwing shoulder. AC separation?

I had one of those once. I know there are different grades. If that's what it is hope it is minor but isn't he probably looking at 4 weeks at least?


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[DrumNFeather]

This is turning into a body bag game.

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[LA Ute]

I heard lots of Utes fans hoping for a blowout tonight (including me). Maybe the players got that in their heads too.


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[LA Ute]

So much for my prediction of 8 sacks tonight. We are losing contain over and over again.


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[DrumNFeather]

Nice drive.

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[Mormon Red Death]

I'll take it. .. although at some point we will need to throw down field

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[Redbird]

that read option with a screen pass built in is so hard to stop when run correctly. Very good execution from Thompson.

[Redbird]

I'll take it. .. although at some point we will need to throw down field

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If it wasn't happening with Wilson, it sure as shit isn't happening with Thompson.

[Mormon Red Death]

Any word on dimic?

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[Redbird]

can someone teach Covey how to call for a fair catch?

[DrumNFeather]

Limp gets a little worse on those incomplete passes. ;)

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[mpfunk]

I'm starting to think Orchard was very underrated. Still no sacks on the year.

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[Redbird]

ESPN using their sideline reporter for in-game updates on a game occurring tomorrow :rolleyes:

[Redbird]

that was Star-esque from the USU d-lineman.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Maybe we can chip and sloe down the gunner long enough for Covey to get a nice return.

[NorthwestUteFan]

That's more like it!

[Redbird]

USU looks like they're starting to wilt a little bit. Keeton doesn't look right.

[LA Ute]

Aggies getting tired. Our D should be rested for this next USU drive.


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[LA Ute]

Andy Phillips just looks off.


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[Mormon Red Death]

That 3rd down conversion hurt

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[LA Ute]

Well, out first sack was a good one!!


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[Redbird]

what is that called when a defender makes contact with the quarterback and makes him go from standing to on the ground?

[Mormon Red Death]

Boom baby

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[DrumNFeather]

I kind of like that wheel route usu runs. Feels like we could run that with Williams and have success.

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[Devildog]

Injuries aside... we are not impressive on either side of the ball. WTF?

We need to play better than this or conference play sure isn't gonna be pretty.

[LA Ute]

what is that called when a defender makes contact with the quarterback and makes him go from standing to on the ground?

I'm trying to remember.


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[LA Ute]

Injuries aside... we are not impressive on either side of the ball. WTF?

We need to play better than this or conference play sure isn't gonna be pretty.

Preach it, brother.


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[Devildog]

Huge interception, can the offense move the ball?

[DrumNFeather]

Injuries aside... we are not impressive on either side of the ball. WTF?

We need to play better than this or conference play sure isn't gonna be pretty.
I'm surprised by the result (i predicted a blowout), but I'm not concerned yet...long season and the like. If Wilson is out for an extended period of time, Thompson is going to need to prove he can play the QB position.

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[LA Ute]

Maybe that Gionni pick (after the pressure on Chuckie) was the knockout blow. Now we need to eat up clock.


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[Mormon Red Death]

Defense sacked up in the second half

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[Devildog]

I can't remember being this disappointed in a 10 point win.

[Devildog]

Wilson's stats looked pretty damn good before he got hurt. I hope his injury isn't severe.

[Devildog]

It's hard to feel optimistic with Travis and Hunter out.

Yeah that isn't good at all, but what really scares me... I don't think USU is very good.

I hope I'm wrong about that.

[Solon]

Yeah, I guess Covey can have one too.

Well, it's nice to get the win but it was a costly one. Time for Kyle to take stock of who's left standing & coach 'em up.

[Mormon Red Death]

Another game where opposing offense does not get called for holding once

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[Devildog]

I think you are right about usu. We let them back into that game with a stupid and cheap hit on Keeton that turned a punt into a td.

The mystery holding call also derailed us early.

We got in our own way several times. We can clean some of this stuff up... but if Travis is gone for awhile, our offense isn't ready for prime time. The highly vaunted defense didn't earn the accolades tonight either.

[justaute]

Just got home from an event. Quickly browsed the ufn forum...wow. The same people who have been "screaming" about how much better Utah is better than USU were swearing up a storm. People sure had over-sized expectations.

[Hot Lunch]

Huge interception, can the offense move the ball?

Our offense just sucks. We have zero creativity, we are predicable as can be. Our biggest playmaker is a true freshman that is 5'9 and 150 pounds. We get zero push for our All Pac12 running back.

Although we held them to zero points in the 2nd half, we have a lot of areas that need to be improved. Utah St had a wide out that went for 200 yards, we can't get to the qb anymore. We had multiple blown coverages and got lucky that their running back dropped an easy pass where he would have walked into the end zone.

Yes, we won. We won ugly but I am so disappointed in that victory.

I have been a huge critic of Travis Wilson and never thought I would be saying that if he isn't back in two weeks, we are in big trouble.

[Hot Lunch]

Our offense just sucks. We have zero creativity, we are predicable as can be. Our biggest playmaker is a true freshman that is 5'9 and 150 pounds. We get zero push for our All Pac12 running back.

Although we held them to zero points in the 2nd half, we half a lot of areas that need to be improved. Utah St had a wide out that went for 200 yards, we can't get to the qb anymore. We had multiple blown coverages and got lucky that their running back dropped an easy pass where he would have walked into the end zone.

Yes, we won. We won ugly but I am so disappointed in that victory.

I have aver been a huge critic of Travis Wilson and never thought I would be saying that if he isn't back in two weeks, we are in big trouble.

And it is my understanding that their best two wide recievers were suspended or didn't play. Dang, we are the only team in the state that can't throw the ball.

I need to walk back from the ledge right now. Bad game.

[Devildog]

Our offense just sucks. We have zero creativity, we are predicable as can be. Our biggest playmaker is a true freshman that is 5'9 and 150 pounds. We get zero push for our All Pac12 running back.

Although we held them to zero points in the 2nd half, we half a lot of areas that need to be improved. Utah St had a wide out that went for 200 yards, we can't get to the qb anymore. We had multiple blown coverages and got lucky that their running back dropped an easy pass where he would have walked into the end zone.

Yes, we won. We won ugly but I am so disappointed in that victory.

I have aver been a huge critic of Travis Wilson and never thought I would be saying that if he isn't back in two weeks, we are in big trouble.

Yep. Absolutely.

Our secondary struggled. They moved the ball between the 20 yard lines at will. Luck prevented a three point victory. Work has to be done.

[LA Ute]

Whit said the #1 priority is to get the O-line push up to where it needs to be. It's "not even close" right now, and Booker has to earn almost every yard he gets.

[justaute]

Well, again, every year we "hear" how o-line is a strength of the team; clearly, that is not the case and has not been the case.

I asked this rhetorical question at least a couple of times in the past -- if I were a "promising" QB recruit, why would I go to Utah? I guess one could say the same about WR, as well. Not saying we have to be like Cal/SC/Oregon/WSU, but we have to "show" something. Oh well. C'est la vie.

[U-Ute]

Any truth to the broken collarbone rumor?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/3kmppu/post_game_thread_21_utah_defeats_utah_state_2414/cuypo3q

[DrumNFeather]

Might Whit take over the D? He seemed pretty irritated at the defensive coaches...saw him say "call something!" into the headset.

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[LA Ute]

From Piper's Tribune article :

"Thompson said afterward that he and Wilson have talked before about injuries and how having two experienced quarterbacks allows both to play with abandon."

Well...doesn't it seem that maybe Travis should play with just a bit less abandon? I think he should learn to slide now and then and to get out of bounds without an epic hit or earth-shaking slam to the turf.



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[Hot Lunch]

Might Whit take over the D? He seemed pretty irritated at the defensive coaches...saw him say "call something!" into the headset.

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Said this to my brother in law at the game last night. I hope it happens. The 71 year old Pease ain't doing it for me.

[LA Ute]

It seemed to me that a lot of the players weren't mentally dialed in during the first half. Uneven intenstity and too many mental errors.


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[USS Utah]

It seemed to me that a lot of the players weren't mentally dialed in during the first half. Uneven intenstity and too many mental errors.

Maybe the players saw the score of the USU-SUU game last week and thought the same thing many of us fans did.

[LA Ute]

Maybe the players saw the score of the USU-SUU game last week and thought the same thing many of us fans did.

Yep. I predicted a blowout.


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[U-Ute]

@matthew_piper: Source close to the team says Travis Wilson has a sprained left shoulder, not separated. Expected back for Oregon. Maybe for Fresno State.

[SeattleUte]

I REALLY hate all this existential despair over not beating Utah State badly enough. Knock it off! Nobody cares about how badly we beat Utah State. Utah State is not a pushover and seems to give most everyone a good game for many years now. It put a turd in BYU's punchbowl last season. For some perspective check out the Florida State-South Florida score or the Auburn-Jacksonville State score going on right now.

[NorthwestUteFan]

@matthew_piper: Source close to the team says Travis Wilson has a sprained left shoulder, not separated. Expected back for Oregon. Maybe for Fresno State.

OMG that is good news! A broken collarbone would have kept him out for most of the season.

Is there any word on Hunter Dimick?

[Devildog]

I REALLY hate all this existential despair over not beating Utah State badly enough. Knock it off! Nobody cares about how badly we beat Utah State. Utah State is not a pushover and seems to give most everyone a good game for many years now. It put a turd in BYU's punchbowl last season. For some perspective check out the Florida State-South Florida score or the Auburn-Jacksonville State score going on right now.

As much as I dislike having to admit this... Seattle Ute is right. I was feeling despair over this victory.

With morning, I now think the Utes just took the Aggies absolute best shot. They may have even overlooked SUU a little in an attempt to prepare for this game. For the Utes, I think it was hard to get up for a game with USU after coming off a nationally hyped opener with Michigan.

This may be the eye opener our Utes needed. Every single game counts.

With all that said... we still have a ton of work to do to prepare for conference play. One more tune-up game on the road. I hope our players injuries are such that we will see them back for that.

[LA Ute]

I REALLY hate all this existential despair over not beating Utah State badly enough. Knock it off! Nobody cares about how badly we beat Utah State. Utah State is not a pushover and seems to give most everyone a good game for many years now. It put a turd in BYU's punchbowl last season. For some perspective check out the Florida State-South Florida score or the Auburn-Jacksonville State score going on right now.

The problem is that too many Utah fans thought (hoped) USU would be a pushover. Maybe some Ute players thought so too.


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[Devildog]

The problem is that too many Utah fans thought (hoped) USU would be a pushover. Maybe some Ute players thought so too.


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Honestly, the concern is that USU isn't very good and that we should have destroyed them.

[SeattleUte]

The problem is that too many Utah fans thought (hoped) USU would be a pushover. Maybe some Ute players thought so too.


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What was the spread? 10? Get real. This isn't soccer. We won; otherwise the score doesn't matter.

[Redbird]

As much as I dislike having to admit this... Seattle Ute is right. I was feeling despair over this victory.

With morning, I now think the Utes just took the Aggies absolute best shot. They may have even overlooked SUU a little in an attempt to prepare for this game. For the Utes, I think it was hard to get up for a game with USU after coming off a nationally hyped opener with Michigan.

This may be the eye opener our Utes needed. Every single game counts.

With all that said... we still have a ton of work to do to prepare for conference play. One more tune-up game on the road. I hope our players injuries are such that we will see them back for that.

Maybe Utah was looking ahead to Fresno St.

[LA Ute]

Honestly, the concern is that USU isn't very good and that we should have destroyed them.

We won't know how good the wins against Michigan and USU are until mid-season, maybe later.

We got hit in the mouth last night, played a half without two important starters (including our QB) and still won. We won a little ugly, but we won, and lived to fight another day. We have talent and we have not hit our ceiling yet. So these guys can improve a D optimism is not irrational -- as long as we keep the program's underlying philosophy in mind and don't expect it to change.


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[Applejack]

We won't know how good the wins against Michigan and USU are until mid-season, maybe later.

We got hit in the mouth last night, played a half without two important starters (including our QB) and still won. We won a little ugly, but we won, and lived to fight another day. We have talent and we have not hit our ceiling yet. So these guys can improve a D optimism is not irrational -- as long as we keep the program's underlying philosophy in mind and don't expect it to change.


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LOL. Hit in the mouth? Vegas expected us to win by 11 and we won . . . . by 10! Oh the humanity! You try to win every game, that's it. No on said ever "Boy, this would have been a great year if only we had beat the Aggies by 20 instead of 10." LA, you are beginning to sound like Gary Crowton.

[Applejack]

Just as a point of comparison, Michigan is flat out embarrassing Oregon St. Every week you get a different opponent and sometimes you get their best shot sometimes you don't; sometimes we play great, and sometimes we don't. You can't complain about a win against Div-1 opponents; that's a rule.

[Solon]

LOL. Hit in the mouth? Vegas expected us to win by 11 and we won . . . . by 10! Oh the humanity! You try to win every game, that's it. No on said ever "Boy, this would have been a great year if only we had beat the Aggies by 20 instead of 10." LA, you are beginning to sound like Gary Crowton.
Gary Crowton is SUU's OC.
#fullcircle

[Applejack]

My despair was not related to margin of victory. I never expected a blowout. Mine was related to losing Wilson. I'm feeling pretty good again to know it's just a sprain.

Remind of how much I wanted him back when he has a bad game!

Wilson is a mediocre qb, but it's clear he's the best we have. The first pass thrown by Kendall Thompson reminded me why we had chosen (twice) to keep him on the bench.

[Applejack]

Gary Crowton is SUU's OC.
#fullcircle

No wonder they looked so good against the Aggies!

[scottie]

Gary Crowton is SUU's OC.
#fullcircle

I'm not sure why, but I feel especially bad for GC and his family, the amount of uprooting they've gone through only to end up as the OC at SUU. Hopefully there was enough f-you money from his time at BYU/Oregon/LSU/Maryland, but he wasn't at any of those places very long, and he's 58.

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[LA Ute]

LOL. Hit in the mouth? Vegas expected us to win by 11 and we won . . . . by 10! Oh the humanity! You try to win every game, that's it. No on said ever "Boy, this would have been a great year if only we had beat the Aggies by 20 instead of 10." LA, you are beginning to sound like Gary Crowton.

Hey, how did my post pointing out how this is a good win become the subject of your derision? "Hit in the mouth" simply means that they were a tougher opponent in our team (and many of our fans) apparently expected. It doesn't mean they outplayed us. It isn't even my term for describing what happened. I stole it from Sean O'Connell's post-game comments.

Anyway, a bunch of football minds, from Kyle on down to the Utah-biased commentators on ESPN 700, think that the Utes have number of things to work on after this game. It's OK for fans to think so too, even if you and SU don't think any evaluation or analysis is appropriate just because we won.

So there.


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[USS Utah]

We won't know how good the wins against Michigan and USU are until mid-season, maybe later.

We got hit in the mouth last night, played a half without two important starters (including our QB) and still won. We won a little ugly, but we won, and lived to fight another day. We have talent and we have not hit our ceiling yet. So these guys can improve a D optimism is not irrational -- as long as we keep the program's underlying philosophy in mind and don't expect it to change.

Michigan just beat the snot out of Oregon State with pretty much the same philosophy.

[LA Ute]

Michigan just beat the snot out of Oregon State with pretty much the same philosophy.

Could be a good sign. But wasn't that at Ann Arbor?


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[Old Standing ute]

Ore St is terrible. Had trouble with Weber which is picked near the bottom of the Big Sky.

[Old Standing ute]

Wilson is a mediocre qb, but it's clear he's the best we have. The first pass thrown by Kendall Thompson reminded me why we had chosen (twice) to keep him on the bench.

I agree. Is it a problem with recruiting, coaching, or our offense scheme?

Or they both looked good in H.S., but just can not make it big at the next step?

[LA Ute]

I agree. Is it a problem with recruiting, coaching, or our offense scheme?

Or they both looked good in H.S., but just can not make it big at the next step?

Here's how it seems to me. Why would a really skilled QB (think Bercovici, Goff, even Keeton) come to Utah, in light of our offense since 2008? It'll probably take 3-4 years of stability and the development of an offensive identity before we are attractive to that type of QB. Then again, some really terrific salesmanship might do the trick sooner. I know it sounds like I'm attacking the program or Kyle, but I'm just trying to be realistic about where we are.


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[Devildog]

LOL. Hit in the mouth? Vegas expected us to win by 11 and we won . . . . by 10! Oh the humanity! You try to win every game, that's it. No on said ever "Boy, this would have been a great year if only we had beat the Aggies by 20 instead of 10." LA, you are beginning to sound like Gary Crowton.

OK. However USU is not Oregon, UCLA, or USC. If we play like we did last night on both sides of the ball against those teams... we will be in trouble. I do think many people's expectations (including my own) took a shot. Really good teams finish strong. We struggled. We are not (at this point) really good.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Travis Wilson was an Elite 11 QB.

[LA Ute]

Travis Wilson was an Elite 11 QB.

Good point. But he was recruited back in 2010-2011, and by Chow. The instability at the OC position had not yet fully manifested itself -- there were 4 more OC changes to go. Now Travis is, I'm guessing, Exhibit A in our recruiting rivals' case against going to Utah: "You don't want to be like Wilson, do you? 4 coordinators in 4 years? The Utah program is not committed to offense and has no offensive identity." I think that is probably what we are up against.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Good point. But he was recruited back in 2010-2011, and by Chow. The instability at the OC position had not yet fully manifested itself -- there were 4 more OC changes to go. Now Travis is, I'm guessing, Exhibit A in our recruiting rivals' case against going to Utah: "You don't want to be like Wilson, do you? 4 coordinators in 4 years? The Utah program is not committed to offense and has no offensive identity." I think that is probably what we are up against.


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If there's any offensive coordinator change at the end of this year, I'm going to be pissed.

[LA Ute]

If there's any offensive coordinator change at the end of this year, I'm going to be pissed.

I think if Whitt has a bad season and then tries to pull that again he may be fired.


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[SeattleUte]

I agree. Is it a problem with recruiting, coaching, or our offense scheme?

Or they both looked good in H.S., but just can not make it big at the next step?

:rolleyes:

[SeattleUte]

Good point. But he was recruited back in 2010-2011, and by Chow. The instability at the OC position had not yet fully manifested itself -- there were 4 more OC changes to go. Now Travis is, I'm guessing, Exhibit A in our recruiting rivals' case against going to Utah: "You don't want to be like Wilson, do you? 4 coordinators in 4 years? The Utah program is not committed to offense and has no offensive identity." I think that is probably what we are up against.


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:rolleyes:

[SeattleUte]

Toledo just won at no. 18 Arkansas.

[DrumNFeather]

Toledo just won at no. 18 Arkansas.

I bet we feel better about our team than Arkansas fans feel about theirs right about now.

[UBlender]

Just as a point of comparison, Michigan is flat out embarrassing Oregon St. Every week you get a different opponent and sometimes you get their best shot sometimes you don't; sometimes we play great, and sometimes we don't. You can't complain about a win against Div-1 opponents; that's a rule.

When Urban was here I recall him saying that it literally was a rule that this program would never not celebrate a FBS win.

[LA Ute]

Utah football: Travis Wilson expected back by Oregon as Utes seek improved run blocking, outside passing

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2936307-155/utah-football-travis-wilson-expected-back


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[SoCalPat]

I'm OK with the win. I'm aware we have issues. While we are a team with flaws, we're not a flawed team.

We need Travis back for Oregon. KT is good in spurts, but not in long stretches. I think we can beat Fresno with KT. I don't think Fresno was as bad as they showed against Ole Miss, but they weren't that impressive in their opener against Abilene Christian. I think we'd be 17-plus point favorites at RES, which means about 10-11 at Fresno. I'd have to research it, but we don't fare well as big favorites on the road under Kyle. I think we're looking at another grinder of a game in which we're never in danger of losing, yet never truly comfortably ahead (more than 14 points).

Not certain about the criticisms of Pease. We're getting pressure, and while it's not resulting in sacks, it is resulting in turnovers. We're a top 20 team in turnover margin. We were 33rd last year and 120th in 2013. If we're to improve on last year's 9-4 mark, we're probably going to need to rank even higher than we already are in that department.

I don't think Oregon is the gauntlet game we've come to expect. I say this at halftime of their game at MSU, where the Ducks can neither run nor stop the run. Vernon Adams ain't Mariota. Way too early to be down on Utah for any expectations you've had that they've failed to meet.

[NorthwestUteFan]

MSU is legit, but I like our chances against Oregon this year.

FSU will be fun, especially with Jordan Wynn and Dave Schramm on the opposing sideline. This will be a game for our running game to impose itself. I hope Joe Williams gets more than one carry. Give him a chance on that quick toss sweep.
He has the speed to make some noise.

[Devildog]

Way too early to be down on Utah for any expectations you've had that they've failed to meet.

Yeah maybe. Expectations are high for the entire fanbase. We need to compete well within the conference. I hope we use these non-conference games to prepare, but we need to battle to win this damn PAC 12 South Division. It is going to be as difficult as advertised.

[U-Ute]

Toledo just won at no. 18 Arkansas.

Holy Toledo!

I have been waiting for that phrase to be relevant again.

[U-Ute]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeCkNAe6eE

[Sullyute]

I got the chills watching that! I am sure it had nothing to do with the flu i have. Great video.

[mUUser]

Utes going black helmet, red jersey, white pants. This breaks the rules. Reminder of the rules:

1) Any red/white (no black) combo is ok.

2) Black/white (no red) is ok once a year.

I don't know why we keep breaking these.

The unis looked sharp. Maybe we could do red helmet, black jersey and white pants ala Falcons one game.