March Madness 2016

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

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[DrumNFeather]

Unbelievable.

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[sancho]

Well, Utah/Gonzaga just got that much more interesting. And Syracuse can be this year's UCLA - takes an undeserved big to the sweet 16?

[LA Ute]

It's all but over. A 15-2 upset.


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[DrumNFeather]

Our side of the bracket just got real interesting.

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[sancho]

3, 10, 11, and 15 left. Of course, 3 is a pick 'em with 11.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I am happy to see the rest of the Pac-12 lose. Them winning doesn't help us advance and that is all I care about.

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[justaute]

Yah....but still would like to see conference mates beat the lower-seeded teams, then they can lose. Plus, as Goon pointed out, every loss is ~$260k of lost-revenue to the conference.


I am happy to see the rest of the Pac-12 lose. Them winning doesn't help us advance and that is all I care about.

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[Rocker Ute]

All the PAC12 teams going down early will also be a factor for seeding next year. In other words it will be easy to make the argument that the PAC12 isn't all that tough.

With the fighting Izzos going down the stage is set for us to do something great if we play to our full potential.

I'm a lifelong Ute fan though, I'm accustomed now to seeing a door open and is effectively close it.


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[LA Ute]

All the PAC12 teams going down early will also be a factor for seeding next year. In other words it will be easy to make the argument that the PAC12 isn't all that tough.

With the fighting Izzos going down the stage is set for us to do something great if we play to our full potential.

I'm a lifelong Ute fan though, I'm accustomed now to seeing a door open and is effectively close it.


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Maybe karma is working for us this time around. Izzo, who was instrumental in convincing Chris Hill to hire Boylen, is out of our way now. Tomorrow night we ourselves can remove Mark Few, who was instrumental in convincing Hill to hire Giacolletti.

[sancho]

Maybe karma is working for us this time around. Izzo, who was instrumental in convincing Chris Hill to hire Boylen, is out of our way now. Tomorrow night we ourselves can remove Mark Few, who was instrumental in convincing Hill to hire Giacolletti.

Gonzaga fans must feel like this is fate. They've been to the tournament 18 times in a row. They've been given all kinds of top seeds, including the 1 seed. Now, in a year when they needed to win the WCC tournament just to get in, they have a reasonable path to go as far as they've ever gone. I hate them.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Interesting lines out.

Utah-Zags: Even
3 seed Miami-11 seed Shockers:WSU 2.5 favorite


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[Utah]

All the PAC12 teams going down early will also be a factor for seeding next year. In other words it will be easy to make the argument that the PAC12 isn't all that tough.

With the fighting Izzos going down the stage is set for us to do something great if we play to our full potential.

I'm a lifelong Ute fan though, I'm accustomed now to seeing a door open and is effectively close it.


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I don't think so. Cal had two injuries and if Utah and Oregon both make elite 8 or final 4, then the PAC-12 becomes great again. It's too early to judge the PAC-12.

Especially with Cal's injuries. What if those guys don't get hurt? Cal could have been a sweet sixteen team. Then what do people say when the PAC-12 has three teams in the sweet sixteen?

If Utah and Oregon do well, the PAC-12 will be just fine.

[LA Ute]

Gonzaga fans must feel like this is fate. They've been to the tournament 18 times in a row. They've been given all kinds of top seeds, including the 1 seed. Now, in a year when they needed to win the WCC tournament just to get in, they have a reasonable path to go as far as they've ever gone. I hate them.

We will rock them.

1814

[sancho]

We will rock them.


Yes we will. I was just thinking that their fans must be getting big eyes after that MSU loss.

[Diehard Ute]

Yes we will. I was just thinking that their fans must be getting big eyes after that MSU loss.

They had them before. Many on their board have dismissed the Utes already.


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[sancho]

We beat 8 tournament teams this year (9 counting last night's game). All but Duke are now out of the tournament.

[justaute]

man...really like that Boucher kid on the Quacks.

[sancho]

man...really like that Boucher kid on the Quacks.

Yeah, I'm hoping he blows up in the tournament and becomes a sure first round draft pick.

[justaute]

I think he's gonna stay. Quacks are so athletic and skilled.


Yeah, I'm hoping he blows up in the tournament and becomes a sure first round draft pick.

[LA Ute]

I think he's gonna stay. Quacks are so athletic and skilled.

They're currently beating Holy Cross 74-36, worse than they beat us. If this keeps up we will be able to take some solace in knowing that we were not the worst Duck beat-down this season. They look awfully good.

[DrumNFeather]

Stephen F. Austin learns from last year, thumps West Va.

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[sancho]

Stephen F. Austin learns from last year, thumps West Va.


Matchups. I don't think Utah would like that WVU press for 40 minutes. SFA doesn't mind it at all.

[DrumNFeather]

Matchups. I don't think Utah would like that WVU press for 40 minutes. SFA doesn't mind it at all.
No doubt. I liked those guys...didn't think they could do that vs. WVU.

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[SeattleUte]

They're currently beating Holy Cross 74-36, worse than they beat us. If this keeps up we will be able to take some solace in knowing that we were not the worst Duck beat-down this season. They look awfully good.

Are you aware that Holy Cross is 15-21? Get over that Oregon beat down! It doesn't matter any more.

[sancho]

What a way to end round one. Half court heave for UNI. Game winning three for St Joe's.

[sancho]

Wins today for 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15 seeds. Record setting first round with ten double digit seeds advancing.

[SeattleUte]

All the PAC12 teams going down early will also be a factor for seeding next year. In other words it will be easy to make the argument that the PAC12 isn't all that tough.

With the fighting Izzos going down the stage is set for us to do something great if we play to our full potential.

I'm a lifelong Ute fan though, I'm accustomed now to seeing a door open and is effectively close it.


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But as we see, seeding is much like throwing sticks on the floor.

[DrumNFeather]

In a battle of teams that worked us over, Miami leads Wichita state 32-19 at the half...and it could've been far worse.

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[Mormon Red Death]

In a battle of teams that worked us over, Miami leads Wichita state 32-19 at the half...and it could've been far worse.

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Only 5 now

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[LA Ute]

Are you aware that Holy Cross is 15-21? Get over that Oregon beat down! It doesn't matter any more.

I'm just concerned about the history books, amigo. Now we will not be the Ducks' biggest beat-down of the year.


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[sancho]

Only 5 now


Game on!

[Mormon Red Death]

Only 5 now

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Shockers lead by 1

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[sancho]

Shockers lead by 1


Pretty impressive response from Miami. Canes in the sweet.

[sancho]

Story of the season for duke. Completely unable to hold a lead.

[sancho]

20 offensive rebounds for Yale. Oregon should crush duke.

[mpfunk]

Duke wins. Humanity loses again.

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[DrumNFeather]

Duke wins. Humanity loses again.

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You should watch Fantastic Lies.

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[hostile]

Duke wins. Humanity loses again.

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Anyone catch Santa giving Duke fans the double-bird?

[DrumNFeather]

Turns out Kentucky ain't that great. Wish I hadn't put them in the final four.

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[LA Ute]

The world is a better and safer place with Kentucky out of the tournament.


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[mpfunk]

This start is horrible. We play like this the whole game we lose by 15.

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[LA Ute]

This start is horrible. We play like this the whole game we lose by 15.

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We look a bit jittery.


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[LA Ute]

It does not help that they are hot from the floor right now. (And we are not.)


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[mpfunk]

It does not help that they are hot from the floor right now.


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Easy to be hot when you are getting easy shots.

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[LA Ute]

Easy to be hot when you are getting easy shots.

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I meant from three range. But you're right, they are getting to the hoop far too easily.


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[LA Ute]

Sabonis hurting us a lot.


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[mpfunk]

We cannot lose to the Zags. I'd rather lose to byu. We cannot lose to this team.

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[LA Ute]

Holy....


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[OrangeUte]

I'm ready for Brandon Taylor heroics.

[mpfunk]

I may have to turn this thing off. I can't watch us lose to this pieces of shit.

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[LA Ute]

They simply have more offensive weapons than we do so far. Wiltjer getting too many open looks. He's deadly.


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[LA Ute]

Fortunately, this Utah team has a lot of toughness and resilience. So it's too early to get too worried yet. But I am pretty doggone worried.


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[SeattleUte]

Where's our defense.

[LA Ute]

We're not fronting or doubling Sabonis. Interesting strategy.


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[LA Ute]

Wiltjer gets to push off. No calls.


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[LA Ute]

They cannot stay this hot all game long and we cannot stay this cold.


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[LA Ute]

Kuz is hot at least.


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[LA Ute]

It looks like they came more ready to play than we did. Surprising. We are back on our heels, they are attacking.

I thought we would be even with them upfront, and that our play on the guard line would be the story of the game. Boy was I wrong about that.


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[Diehard Ute]

These officials...


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[mpfunk]

That call on Poeltl is bullshit

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[LA Ute]

I guess that was an illegal screen, but they are not calling those both ways. With Jakob out for the rest of the half are in deep deep trouble.


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[LA Ute]

Of course Reyes cannot make a bunny.


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[LA Ute]

Jordan picked the wrong night to disappear.


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[SeattleUte]

We need to get into a half court game and try to survive the first half.


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[mpfunk]

We are getting run by a WCC team. What an embarrassment. This is not okay

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[LA Ute]

Is there no way we can keep them from getting open looks from three point range?


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[SeattleUte]

It's obvious which team was better prepared for this game.


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[LA Ute]

We need to get into a half court game and try to survive the first half.


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Yes.


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[mpfunk]

It's obvious which team was better prepared for this game.


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Yes it is obvious. It is also obvious that like most of the Pac 12 we were over seeded. We cannot win this game, we prove we were a 6 seed at best. We should not under any circumstances lose to this Gonzaga team.

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[LA Ute]

Shocked at Jakob being a non-factor so far. We are lucky not to be farther behind.


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[SeattleUte]

If we don't somehow put the brakes on this game we'll lose by 20 plus. I'm really disgusted with our game plan and preparation


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[SeattleUte]

Turnovers. Jesus.


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[LA Ute]

Open look after open look from three-ball range. What on earth is wrong?


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[justaute]

haha

[mpfunk]

When the game is over by halftime I'm so glad that we kept Poeltl out of foul trouble by sitting him on the bench. Put him the fuck in the game now.

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[LA Ute]

67% from three range. Holy....


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[mpfunk]

Seriously how much do we have to be down before we put Poeltl in?

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[SeattleUte]

Yes it is obvious. It is also obvious that like most of the Pac 12 we were over seeded. We cannot win this game, we prove we were a 6 seed at best. We should not under any circumstances lose to this Gonzaga team.

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Gonzaga has a lot of good players. They've under performed this season.


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[eldiente]

Yes it is obvious. It is also obvious that like most of the Pac 12 we were over seeded. We cannot win this game, we prove we were a 6 seed at best. We should not under any circumstances lose to this Gonzaga team.

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But you are :-((


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[LA Ute]

The margin of victory so far is exactly the number of points we have given up to them off of turnovers.


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[mpfunk]

I love Krystkowiak but we lose this it is 100% on him.

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[SeattleUte]

Gonzaga didn't attempt a free throw. Speaks volumes.


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[LA Ute]

In the words of Rick Majerus, "We need better players."


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[LA Ute]

I love Krystkowiak but we lose this it is 100% on him.

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It is clear that Gonzaga has a game plan that is based on our weaknesses and is executing it. It is not clear that we have a game plan at all.


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[mpfunk]

In the words of Rick Majerus, "We need better players."


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Bullshit. This loss is not lack of talent. We are a more talented team.

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[LA Ute]

Bullshit. This loss is not lack of talent. We are a more talented team.

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We don't have anyone as good as Wiltjer. Our three-point shooters are horribly inconsistent. Jordan is one-dimensional and cannot be depended on to show up every game. I think the only way we make up those deficits is by having better, less limited players.

All that said, I do think we are getting outcoached.


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[mpfunk]

We don't have anyone as good as Wiltjer. Our three-point shooters are horribly inconsistent. Jordan is one-dimensional and cannot be depended on to show up every game. I think the only way we make up those deficits is by having better, less limited players.

All that said, I do think we are getting outcoached.


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The Zags didn't even win an awful WCC. They aren't more talented.

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[LA Ute]

What I hope to see change in the second half:

*Allow fewer open-look three-balls. (At least contest them.)

*Get the ball in to Jakob every possession, or at least try.

*Take care of the ball. Gonzaga is something like 300th in D-1 in forcing TOs. Worse than Utah is.

*Stop letting Sarbonis push Jakob around -- somehow. Not sure how we do that.

What do you want to see change?


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[LA Ute]

The Zags didn't even win an awful WCC. They aren't more talented.

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Maybe you are right but no talent differential in our favor is visible tonight.


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[SeattleUte]

Bullshit. This loss is not lack of talent. We are a more talented team.

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We have enough talent to beat them, but it's not clear to me ours is better. Sibonis and Wiltjer would start on Kansas.

Kodiak is a very good coach, but we have to recognize that Few is a freakish genius like Majerus. I agree with Funk that we're seeing a superbly prepared team annihilate us because of that. Majerus teams charged out ahead like this all the time. Against more talented teams the challenge was hanging on.

I'm satisfied with Kodiak. How many geniuses are there to be had?

[LA Ute]

Another uncontested open three.


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[LA Ute]

I'm not sure I can keep watching this.


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[mpfunk]

I'm not sure I can keep watching this.


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I'm giving it another 5 minutes. If we don't get it down to under 10 I'm done.

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[SeattleUte]

Funk, I bet over his career Few has won 80 percent of his games against the Pac 10/12 teams. He has special talent for embarrassing the Pac.

[mpfunk]

I'm done.

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[LA Ute]

The excuse for our turnovers has always been that quicker more athletic teams give us a hard time. Fresno State and Gonzaga are not in that category. Especially Gonzaga. We turn it over against everyone. We need better players who are capable of avoiding repeated turnovers.


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[LA Ute]

Larry needs to call TO and tell the guys not to give up, to keep their self-respect. Otherwise this becomes another Oregon game and it it starts looking like ward ball.

[Mormon Red Death]

Thanks for the no show loveridge and Taylor! Great game to end your career on.

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[Mormon Red Death]

Gonzaga is making their shots and loveridge and Taylor are cold as ice

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[SeattleUte]

We needed an energetic and ingenious defensive game plan. I don't see we had any.

[DrumNFeather]

Thanks for the no show loveridge and Taylor! Great game to end your career on.

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The legacy of these seniors, above everything else, is that in nearly every big non home game, they pretty much laid down.

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[mpfunk]

The legacy of these seniors, above everything else, is that in nearly every big non home game, they pretty much laid down.

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Also that they have won very few big games period. Also that they have the worst NCAA tournament loss that I can think of.

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[SeattleUte]

The legacy of these seniors, above everything else, is that in nearly every big non home game, they pretty much laid down.

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This is on the coach, not the players.

[mpfunk]

This is on the coach, not the players.

It was maddening to hear Krystkowiak blaming the players at half. He should have put the blame on him.

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[Mormon Red Death]

Nice to have a wide open shot air ball

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[DrumNFeather]

This is on the coach, not the players.
(Shrug). I put much of the calculated errors of this season on Larry. At some point though, these guys gotta show up. With the sweet 16 on the line and the best team in your bracket knocked out, you would think that might be the time.

The Zags want it more and are playing like it.

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[mpfunk]

I'm still furious about him leaving Poeltl on the bench.

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[LA Ute]

The legacy of these seniors, above everything else, is that in nearly every big non home game, they pretty much laid down.

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This is what I mean about our need to get better players. Really good college players don't disappear like that, with the biggest game of the season on the line. Repeated underperformance is not the mark of a talented player.

I don't know if others feel this way, but this kind of loss really bugs me. I can live with losing a close, hard-fought game. I really hate getting embarrassed, however. This is not Oregon we are playing. It is an 11 seed from a much weaker conference. Sure, they can upset us, but blow us out in a loss of historic proportions? Give me a break.


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[SeattleUte]

(Shrug). I put much of the calculated errors of this season on Larry. At some point though, these guys gotta show up. With the sweet 16 on the line and the best team in your bracket knocked out, you would think that might be the time.

The Zags want it more and are playing like it.

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Look, if we'd have gone out with tons of effort and an identifiable game plan, especially on defense, and been competitive, but the seniors played poorly and we lost by 7, that would be one thing. But to come out and be completely destroyed is on the coach. These teams are not that mismatched as to talent if at all. Few has Kodiak's number strategically, emotionally, etc. The players depend completely on the coach to avoid this type of result.

[SeattleUte]

Remember, BYU beat this Gonzaga team in Spokane. We had the players to prevent this, even win the game.

[LA Ute]

Remember, BYU beat this Gonzaga team in Spokane. We had the players to prevent this, even win the game.

I see what you are saying and mostly agree. But how does the coach make a one-dimensional Loveridge show up every game? How does he give the team the talent not to give up turnovers? How does he add 5-6 inches to Taylor's height?

Some things, like Kuzma's unpredictable and inexplicable boneheaded play, are on the coaches (unless Kuz is just not able to learn). The pack of preparation tonight is on Larry. Maybe with a couple more recruiting cycles he will have more talent and will need to be less flawless in his game planning and preparation.


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[LA Ute]

Remember, BYU beat this Gonzaga team in Spokane. We had the players to prevent this, even win the game.

Yes. The people in Las Vegas are not fools. They had this game as almost a pick 'em. We were far from powerless to win -- or at least to be competitive.


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[Mormon Red Death]

Jordan loveridge you were outscored by gabe bealer.

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[justaute]

Yup...more athletic. Better BB IQ. Don't exactly have a sanguine view about next year's returning players. They really need to work on their games during the summer, assuming there is enough of a foundation. Not sure about the incoming players.

That said, we did finish 2nd in P12, notwithstanding the now apparent overly rated competition. We are who we are.


This is what I mean about our need to get better players. Really good college players don't disappear like that, with the biggest game of the season on the line. Repeated underperformance is not the mark of a talented player.

I don't know if others feel this way, but this kind of loss really bugs me. I can live with losing a close, hard-fought game. I really hate getting embarrassed, however. This is not Oregon we are playing. It is an 11 seed from a much weaker conference. Sure, they can upset us, but blow us out in a loss of historic proportions? Give me a break.


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[mpfunk]

Yup...more athletic. Better BB IQ. Don't exactly have a sanguine view about next year's returning players. They really need to work on their games during the summer, assuming there is enough of a foundation. Not sure about the incoming players.

That said, we did finish 2nd in P12, notwithstanding the now apparent overly rated competition. We are who we are.

We were certainly exposed as a fraud tonight.

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[NorthwestUteFan]

Why in the world is Poeltl tired? There is zero excuse for that.

Did they stay out too late last night?

[LA Ute]

I will say this: I now respect Gonzaga and Mark Few much more than I did before. They came ready to play and took the game to us. More power to them. I wish them well for the rest of the tournament. (Sorry, Funk. I know you hate them.)

[creekster]

Remember, BYU beat this Gonzaga team in Spokane. We had the players to prevent this, even win the game.


Good point. He isnt much of a game coach, it appears, and as you argue here, but at least he is very good about making strategic decisions like refusing to honor contracts against teams who push his little guys around too much. Maybe if you make the tourney next year Coach 80k can tell the committee not to put the mean ol' Zags in your bracket, just to be safe.

[NorthwestUteFan]

The San Antonio Andres are about to beat Golden State. Go Andre!

[chrisrenrut]

Good point. He isnt much of a game coach, it appears, and as you argue here, but at least he is very good about making strategic decisions like refusing to honor contracts against teams who push his little guys around too much. Maybe if you make the tourney next year Coach 80k can tell the committee not to put the mean ol' Zags in your bracket, just to be safe.

Classy. Your third post here and it is to be a dick after a loss. If you are here to exact revenge for Funk doing it on your board, do it by board mail.

[LA Ute]

Good point. He isnt much of a game coach, it appears, and as you argue here, but at least he is very good about making strategic decisions like refusing to honor contracts against teams who push his little guys around too much. Maybe if you make the tourney next year Coach 80k can tell the committee not to put the mean ol' Zags in your bracket, just to be safe.

Super mean post.* I'm trying to figure out how to digitally cold-cock you right now.


*Borrowing lame CS argot.

[mpfunk]

Classy. Your third post here and it is to be a dick after a loss. If you are here to exact revenge for Funk doing it on your board, do it by board mail.

Look, I only became a dick on that board in response to them being dicks.

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[SeattleUte]

I see what you are saying and mostly agree. But how does the coach make a one-dimensional Loveridge show up every game? How does he give the team the talent not to give up turnovers? How does he add 5-6 inches to Taylor's height?

Some things, like Kuzma's unpredictable and inexplicable boneheaded play, are on the coaches (unless Kuz is just not able to learn). The pack of preparation tonight is on Larry. Maybe with a couple more recruiting cycles he will have more talent and will need to be less flawless in his game planning and preparation.


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Loveridge and Taylor are what they are. Loveridge was ESPN 100, four star, and had a long offer list, but it turns out he's one dimensional (Why did he not progress more? Why is Chapman a bust? These are topics for another day). An effective game plan accounts for those limitations. Was your friend Drew Hansen without limitations?

We have a football coach who seems to have a special talent for game plans that account for his players' limitations--particularly the quarterback's. He also seems to be particularly adept at motivating his players to play above their heads in really big games. And he's sent dozens of two and three stars to the NFL. But if this had happened to Whit, you'd be ready to crucify him. I'm tired of your double standard. It pisses me off.

[LA Ute]

Loveridge and Taylor are what they are. Loveridge was ESPN 100, four star, and had a long offer list, but it turns out he's one dimensional (Why did he not progress more? Why is Chapman a bust? These are topics for another day). An effective game plan accounts for those limitations. Was your friend Drew Hansen without limitations?

We have a football coach who seems to have a special talent for game plans that account for his players' limitations--particularly the quarterback's. He also seems to be particularly adept at motivating his players to play above their heads in really big games. And he's sent dozens of two and three stars to the NFL. But if this had happened to Whit, you'd be ready to crucify him. I'm tired of your double standard. It pisses me off.

LOL. I'm equally capable of being hard on both coaches. My view of Kyle evolved over time and I am less hard on him than ever. You actually helped my get to that point. (Don't let that go to your head.) Kyle's body of work still stinks at making sure his team has at least an average offense but there are recent grounds for optimism. As I've said to you probably a dozen times, I hope he stays at Utah until he retires from coaching. You don't like this, but others get to have opinions different from yours.

Back to hoops. You're right, Drew was a limited player at the D-1 level but he had a defined role on the team. Every Majerus player did. That was part of Big Rick's genius. Rick was also a genius at game planning. Krysko is not a genius, as you've noted, but I think he's a heck of a coach and I am glad we have him. I have the same questions you, but I am not sure where you are going. Are you trying to say Krysko has some limitations as a coach? If so, you and I agree. Check out some of my other posts in other subforums here.

[justaute]

Good exchanges between LAU and SU. I thought Whit said some good things. In short, I'm paraphrasing, "It's always on the coaches. It's either recruiting or coaching." As we all know, there are coaches who can sell with the best used-car salesmen out there, but can't do the Xs & Os to save their lives; of course, the other side of the coin also exist. It's not binary, so there is so also that gray area, which is somewhere in between those two scenarios.

5 years ago, when Loveridge signed, Utah had few options; Utah did get "lucky" with his signing. Utah got "lucky" again with Poeltl, notwithstanding his performance tonight. Likely same with Delon. What about Chapman, Kuzma, Wright, Bealer, etc.? Not sure. I guess we'll see how the narrative continues to develop.

Like Coach K said during Cal's game, I also don't mind losing, but one has to play hard, play smart, and give it all. After all that, if you lose, well, you likely lost to a superior opponent. That's always been my mentality, anyway.

Good night, all. It's been a fun ride. The team/program needs more consistency and reduce the "amplitude" of good and bad games.



LOL. I'm equally capable of being hard on both coaches. My view of Kyle evolved over time and I am less hard on him than ever. You actually helped my get to that point. (Don't let that go to your head.) Kyle's body of work still stinks at making sure his team has at least an average offense but there are recent grounds for optimism. As I've said to you probably a dozen times, I hope he stays at Utah until he retires from coaching. You don't like this, but others get to have opinions different from yours.

Back to hoops. You're right, Drew was a limited player at the D-1 level but he had a defined role on the team. Every Majerus player did. That was part of Big Rick's genius. Rick was also a genius at game planning. Krysko is not a genius, as you've noted, but I think he's a heck of a coach and I am glad we have him. I have the same questions you, but I am not sure where you are going. Are you trying to say Krysko has some limitations as a coach? If so, you and I agree. Check out some of my other posts in other subforums here.

[sancho]

Why in the world is Poeltl tired? There is zero excuse for that.


I feel like he lost his legs towards the end of the season. We really needed a backup center to take some of his minutes all year.

What an embarrassing loss. When we lose, we really lose big.

Were we a paper tiger all along, or was this just the wrong combination of their hot start, the officials' garbage, and our lack of resilience?

[SeattleUte]

I will say this: I now respect Gonzaga and Mark Few much more than I did before. They came ready to play and took the game to us. More power to them. I wish them well for the rest of the tournament. (Sorry, Funk. I know you hate them.)

LA, I'm sorry to pick on you tonight, but if you did not maximally respect Gonzaga and Mark Few before tonight, were you the coach you'd be guilty of inexcusable hubris. Few has won 28 regular season and tournament championships, he's been to the Sweet Sixteen six times, he went to the Elite 8 last season. He's won 60% of his NCAA tournament games. Yes, Gonzaga is in that shitty little conference, but it's a tiny Catholic school in Spokane, Washington, and it consistently has delivered on the big stage. As a result, it now out-recruits us and most Pac 12 schools. Gonzaga may be in a conference that condescends to accept BYU only for basketball, but come on. What you saw tonight was what a genius wrought. We should know, because we used to be on the other side of that.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Nobody can recover from a team shooting over 70% from 3 pt line.

[mUUser]

I've loved watching the team this season with my son. Great bonding, with more good times than bad. Larry's brought us from a dumpster fire to relevance again -- a couple of AA's, dancing, sweet 16, full arena, a run at the P12 title. Been a great ride my friends.......confident there's more to come.

[SeattleUte]

I've loved watching the team this season with my son. Great bonding, with more good times than bad. Larry's brought us from a dumpster fire to relevance again -- a couple of AA's, dancing, sweet 16, full arena, a run at the P12 title. Been a great ride my friends.......confident there's more to come.

Agreed.

[SeattleUte]

Nobody can recover from a team shooting over 70% from 3 pt line.

Anymore you have to defend the 3. We didn't.

[LA Ute]

LA, I'm sorry to pick on you tonight, but if you did not maximally respect Gonzaga and Mark Few before tonight, were you the coach you'd be guilty of inexcusable hubris. Few has won 28 regular season and tournament championships, he's been to the Sweet Sixteen six times, he went to the Elite 8 last season. He's won 60% of his NCAA tournament games. Yes, Gonzaga is in that shitty little conference, but it's a tiny Catholic school in Spokane, Washington, and it consistently has delivered on the big stage. As a result, it now out-recruits us and most Pac 12 schools. Gonzaga may be in a conference that condescends to accept BYU only for basketball, but come on. What you saw tonight was what a genius wrought. We should know, because we used to be on the other side of that.

To be clear, I respected him before for all the reasons you state and suspected Gonzaga was under-seeded. Because of him I was worried about this game. The Las Vegas line told me we had a battle royale coming. (But like everyone else I was surprised at how badly it actually went. I don't think anyone predicted that.) They brought the game to us and were were back on our heels from about 3 minutes into the game until the end. So I respect Few even more now. I wish the Zags the best the rest of the way.

[LA Ute]

Anymore you have to defend the 3. We didn't.

It was astonishing how many open looks we gave them. When Larry told the TV reporter after halftime that he was making no defensive adjustments I wondered what he was thinking.

[sancho]

Nobody can recover from a team shooting over 70% from 3 pt line.

I think this is it as much as anything. Their guards were considered their weakness all year; tonight they were on and then some.

[sancho]

It was astonishing how many open looks we gave them.

Wiltjer hit contested threes early. Many of the open shots later were created by our double teams on sabonis.

The second foul on Poeltl was huge, but he was already losing to sabonis at that point.

[SeattleUte]

Good exchanges between LAU and SU. I thought Whit said some good things. In short, I'm paraphrasing, "It's always on the coaches. It's either recruiting or coaching." As we all know, there are coaches who can sell with the best used-car salesmen out there, but can't do the Xs & Os to save their lives; of course, the other side of the coin also exist. It's not binary, so there is so also that gray area, which is somewhere in between those two scenarios.

5 years ago, when Loveridge signed, Utah had few options; Utah did get "lucky" with his signing. Utah got "lucky" again with Poeltl, notwithstanding his performance tonight. Likely same with Delon. What about Chapman, Kuzma, Wright, Bealer, etc.? Not sure. I guess we'll see how the narrative continues to develop.

Like Coach K said during Cal's game, I also don't mind losing, but one has to play hard, play smart, and give it all. After all that, if you lose, well, you likely lost to a superior opponent. That's always been my mentality, anyway.

Good night, all. It's been a fun ride. The team/program needs more consistency and reduce the "amplitude" of good and bad games.

I'm really glad that you remind us how far Larry has brought us, and how much Loveridge, who had other more attractive options, has been part of that. Thank you.

[SeattleUte]

Wiltjer hit contested threes early. Many of the open shots later were created by our double teams on sabonis.

The second foul on Poeltl was huge, but he was already losing to sabonis at that point.

Is it possible that Poeltl stays now because of this debacle?

[Jarid in Cedar]

The biggest problem with our team this season(especially in our losses) is that there is exactly one player in the primary rotation that takes pride on the defensive end of the floor; Taylor. Poeltl has the tools to be a plus defender, but his focus was always on the offensive end. His defensive rebound numbers reflect that. Bonam was a defensive liability, Loveridge the same, Kuzma is average.

Compare that to LK's second season where you could point to Taylor, Martin, Bachynski, and Washburn;

LK conceded that this was a poor defensive team when he opted to play so much 2-3 zone. The other problem was that we only generated defensive intensity when we had offensive success, instead of the opposite. And our defensive woes compounded when we were having a bad offensive night. You need turnovers and good defensive rebounding to help you generate fast break points, which help out your struggling offense. This is the primary reason most of our losses were not competitive.

And this is my biggest worry for next season. Who is that junkyard dog who will take pride in locking in on the other teams best scorer? This is the elephant in the room about the programs future.

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[Jarid in Cedar]

I've loved watching the team this season with my son. Great bonding, with more good times than bad. Larry's brought us from a dumpster fire to relevance again -- a couple of AA's, dancing, sweet 16, full arena, a run at the P12 title. Been a great ride my friends.......confident there's more to come.

This was a successful season by all measures. I am going to miss watching Taylor most of all.

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[LA Ute]

Is it possible that Poeltl stays now because of this debacle?

I posted elsewhere that he is reportedly enjoying college so much he'd like to stay. Sarbonis is the only NBA-type big man that Jakob has played against this season (have I forgotten someone?) and he played poorly. Maybe he could use another year of development.

[SeattleUte]

The biggest problem with our team this season(especially in our losses) is that there is exactly one player in the primary rotation that takes pride on the defensive end of the floor; Taylor. Poeltl has the tools to be a plus defender, but his focus was always on the offensive end. His defensive rebound numbers reflect that. Bonam was a defensive liability, Loveridge the same, Kuzma is average.

Compare that to LK's second season where you could point to Taylor, Martin, Bachynski, and Washburn;

LK conceded that this was a poor defensive team when he opted to play so much 2-3 zone. The other problem was that we only generated defensive intensity when we had offensive success, instead of the opposite. And our defensive woes compounded when we were having a bad offensive night. You need turnovers and good defensive rebounding to help you generate fast break points, which help out your struggling offense. This is the primary reason most of our losses were not competitive.

And this is my biggest worry for next season. Who is that junkyard dog who will take pride in locking in on the other teams best scorer? This is the elephant in the room about the programs future.

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Agreed. Great post.

[SeattleUte]

This was a successful season by all measures. I am going to miss watching Taylor most of all.

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I agree and I really agree about Taylor.

[sancho]

Poeltl has the tools to be a plus defender, but his focus was always on the offensive

It was at least partially strategic. Once again, a backup center would have made a huge difference this season for multiple reasons.

In addition to your point about defense, the team was too one dimensional offensively. Every team that stopped Poeltl stopped Utah. He's a tremendous player. Without him, we are nowhere near the tournament.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I agree and I really agree about Taylor.
Taylor is easily my favorite Ute from the last two decades. Last year, I said that even though Delon was our best player, Brandon was the heart and soul of the team. He had some struggles this year, but the same still applies. He is going to be missed far more than most Utah fans realize.

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[sancho]

Taylor is easily my favorite Ute from the last two decades. Last year, I said that even though Delon was our best player, Brandon was the heart and soul of the team. He had some struggles this year, but the same still applies. He is going to be missed far more than most Utah fans realize.

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It's no accident our strong second half run coincided with Taylor finding his game again.

[SeattleUte]

Taylor is easily my favorite Ute from the last two decades. Last year, I said that even though Delon was our best player, Brandon was the heart and soul of the team. He had some struggles this year, but the same still applies. He is going to be missed far more than most Utah fans realize.

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Yes. I'm the same.

[SeattleUte]

It's no accident our strong second half run coincided with Taylor finding his game again.

Very good point.

[SeattleUte]

I agree and I really agree about Taylor.

well, the last two decades excluding our 1998 and 1999 players.

[Jarid in Cedar]

well, the last two decades excluding our 1998 and 1999 players.
He would have fit in perfectly with those teams. Majerus would have loved him. He consistently outperformed his limitations. Not many players can say that

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[Jarid in Cedar]

It was at least partially strategic. Once again, a backup center would have made a huge difference this season for multiple reasons.

In addition to your point about defense, the team was too one dimensional offensively. Every team that stopped Poeltl stopped Utah. He's a tremendous player. Without him, we are nowhere near the tournament.
I agree with this. I think that protecting Poeltl from foul trouble softened up the defense edge for the entire team

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[LA Ute]

You need turnovers and good defensive rebounding to help you generate fast break points, which help out your struggling offense. This is the primary reason most of our losses were not competitive.

I like your theory about why we had so many blowout losses. LK said prior to the game that Utah ranks 326th in forcing turnovers, and Gonzaga is 329th. (Stats here (http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/931/p7).) Larry said it's not either team's defensive style to try to force TOs, so he did not expect the game with Gonzaga to feature many. It didn't, really; we had 13, they had 9, although ours were ill-timed and got us in a hole. I think Gonzaga got 15 points off our TOs in the first half, which was pretty much the scoring margin at halftime. I don't think we got many points at all off TOs. So I think the Zags did exactly what they had to in that regard, and we did exactly what we couldn't afford to do.

Few said postgame that his team played pretty much a perfect game. He's right, I think. If they keep playing that way they're at least an Elite 8 team, maybe more.

[LA Ute]

He would have fit in perfectly with those teams. Majerus would have loved him. He consistently outperformed his limitations. Not many players can say that

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True. 5'9" kid played like a 6'2" kid most of the time, and was a force on D -- usually our only force, as you said. Not really a point guard, but accepted that role and made it work. On top of all that, a great kid. I'll miss him.


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[Mormon Red Death]

I posted elsewhere that he is reportedly enjoying college so much he'd like to stay. Sarbonis is the only NBA-type big man that Jakob has played against this season (have I forgotten someone?) and he played poorly. Maybe he could use another year of development.
Yes tarzewski

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[LA Ute]

Yes tarzewski

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Is he at the same level as Sarbonis, skill-wise? Draft Express ranks Kaleb at #94, Sabonis at #24. Yesterday was a significant test. Did Jakob hurt his draft prospects?

[sancho]

Is he at the same level as Sarbonis, skill-wise? Draft Express ranks Kaleb at #94, Sabonis at #24. Yesterday was a significant test. Did Jakob hurt his draft prospects?

Sabonis bangs like Zeus and has post moves like Scott. He can shoot jumpers like Boucher. He's clearly the best we saw this season. I bet he goes higher than #24.

I think Jakob's stock is fine. He's still being drafted on potential. Scouts can see what we all saw - he wore out at the end of the season.

[Solon]

Good point. He isnt much of a game coach, it appears, and as you argue here, but at least he is very good about making strategic decisions like refusing to honor contracts against teams who push his little guys around too much. Maybe if you make the tourney next year Coach 80k can tell the committee not to put the mean ol' Zags in your bracket, just to be safe.

Zing!
I hope that was worth it.
You need to cross over that anger bridge and come over to the friendship shore, creekster.
We're a welcoming bunch here. You should stick around.

[Solon]

Scouts can see what we all saw - he wore out at the end of the season.
I watched last night with a friend who hasn't seen any Utah basketball all season. He was surprised at how tired the Utes looked. I wonder what coaches do to keep kids from burning out at the end of the season. Clearly, the team looked really sluggish over the past week.

On the other hand, they're a bunch of 20-year-olds. They should be able to eat pizza, pull all-nighters, and still play like their hair is on fire.

So, I'm glad that embarrassing non-conference game is over.
Who do we play next week?

[sancho]

On the other hand, they're a bunch of 20-year-olds. They should be able to eat pizza, pull all-nighters, and still play like their hair is on fire.


AJ said something similar last week. Sounds true, but somehow it's not. The season took its toll on this group. Poeltl was obvious, but kuzma was completely gassed every time he came out.

[sancho]

You should stick around.

Not sure we need that. I'm already dumbing things down around here. That guy could drag us all the way down to the gutter.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Creekster is welcome, but he needs to leave the bonobo behind. They try to screw everything.

[Solon]

Creekster is welcome, but he needs to leave the bonobo behind. They try to screw everything.
Yeah, he's chimpanzee-violent. No bonobo there.

You win some & you lose some. It's not worth being an ass about it in either case.

creekster will feel better about himself after a long bike ride and then we will give him the Jacob & Esau treatment (Gen 33) if he comes back. Stolen birthrights bring out the worst in people.

[UBlender]

AJ said something similar last week. Sounds true, but somehow it's not. The season took its toll on this group. Poeltl was obvious, but kuzma was completely gassed every time he came out.

We were basically a 7-man team. I wonder how much it was just a matter of everyone being out of gas by the end. Obviously the PAC 12 doesn't look good right now but I still believe that 11 of the 12 were strong teams--no nights off. That's a grind that can wear you down when you don't have playable depth.

[justaute]

Love watching SFA -- so much effort, so crafty.

[DrumNFeather]

Love watching SFA -- so much effort, so crafty.
They sure gagged that one away though.

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[justaute]

Sigh...yup. At least SFA had a shot and made a great showing.


They sure gagged that one away though.

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[UBlender]

Love watching SFA -- so much effort, so crafty.

How is Brad Underwood still there? He's gotta be due for an upgrade in position.

[Utah]

Anymore you have to defend the 3. We didn't.

Even if you don't defend the three, shooting almost 70% from three is an anomaly. They were on fire.

[Utah]

I watched last night with a friend who hasn't seen any Utah basketball all season. He was surprised at how tired the Utes looked. I wonder what coaches do to keep kids from burning out at the end of the season. Clearly, the team looked really sluggish over the past week.


We forget how bad we were a couple of years ago. We have amazing talent on this team, and Larry might be the best developer of big men in the country...

BUT, we don't have depth yet. We have NO depth at the C position. How much better is Poeltl this year if Olsen could have played?

We still have players that probably aren't PAC-12 players on the team, which means more minutes for the PAC-12 talent.

Like football, we are getting there. As mentioned before, Olsen's injury really hurt us, and next year we will have Johnson, Collette, and Mawien....plus Kuzma. Depth wise, we will be much better. We are still building and we are still trending up.

We were better this year after losing Delon. If Bonham can continue to develop and Kuzma and Chapman as well, we can be better next year than this year.

We haven't peaked yet. We are still trending up.

[chrisrenrut]

Wisconsin beat Xavier with a Manny Hendrix vs. Wyoming type shot from the corner

[DrumNFeather]

Epic collapse.

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[NorthwestUteFan]

Tremendous come back be A&M to end Regulation. Scored 10 straight points in the last 33 sec of the game.

[DrumNFeather]

Unbelievable. Even after seeing it, it's hard to believe.
And we thought our guys couldn't handle end of game situations.

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[NorthwestUteFan]

Outstanding finish by the Ducks. Very enjoyable game at the end.

[justaute]

What a fun evening of basketball.

Only wished my Utes were a part of the fun -- either end of that excitement would have been fine with me. :(

[NorthwestUteFan]

I know Brooks is amazing, but Dorsey might be even better.
No kidding. Can you imagine playing against him in HS last year? Is he leaving for the NBA next year or will he stick around?

[DrumNFeather]

I'm assuming he'll leave. He certainly can if he wants to.

If he can get the ducks to the final four, his stock will probably never be higher.

[NorthwestUteFan]

If he can get the ducks to the final four, his stock will probably never be higher.
I will be happy to see all of the young talent from all of the other teams declare for the draft.

But at the same time I hate the NBA for taking great players away from college programs. Sometimes I wish the NBA would require incoming players to be at least 2-3 years out of HS (by age) before entering the NBA.

[311ute]

If he can get the ducks to the final four, his stock will probably never be higher.


That's the problem with this Ducks team, and why they could be scary good next year too. They have a lot of really good college players that aren't necessarily great NBA prospects. I've only seen Dorsey on a couple mock drafts, and that was second round territory. But you're right, the further they can get in the Tourney the higher their stocks will be. So let's hope for a deep run and a couple early entries for them.

[Rocker Ute]

At this point I hope the Ducks win it all for two reasons, 1. Moral victories are all I have left now, and 2. I like my rivals insufferable.


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[DrumNFeather]

At this point I hope the Ducks win it all for two reasons, 1. Moral victories are all I have left now, and 2. I like my rivals insufferable.


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3. Dana Altman gets a bigger job offer? (No, I don't know who that would be, stop asking questions!)

[LA Ute]

Sweet 16 from most to least desirable:

1) Duke. (my other alma mater)
2) Miami. Coach L is really likable.
3) Iowa St. It'd be funny to see them win it all after Hoiberg leaves.
4) Villanova. Always bumped early, they deserve one.
5) UVa. Who doesn't like Tony Bennett?
6) Syracuse. Didn't even deserve a bid, so it would be funny to see them win it all.
7) Wisconsin. Win it the year after Bo Ryan and Frank the Tank?
8-10) A&M, Oklahoma, Notre Dame. Football school wins basketball tournament?
11) Maryland.
12) Indiana.
13) Kansas. No reason.
14) Oregon. Nightmares of Brooks and Cook kissing their own biceps. Altman is the Pac-12 Coach K. Only a Ducks fans could like that guy.
15) Gonzaga. I hate them all and hope their plane crashes into their stadium.
16) UNC.

:rofl:

[Scorcho]

admittedly, I felt confident on Saturday, I thought Utah would win comfortably, sigh ... its easy to overlook the Zags:

18 straight NCAA tournaments

8 straight first round victories

Elite 8 last year

7 sweet sixteens since 1999

other than UCLA, and maybe Arizona, Gonzaga is the top program in the West. I would kill for Utah to have that kind of success.

They are the Boise St of basketball.

[mpfunk]

Sweet 16 from most to least desirable:

1) Duke. (my other alma mater)
2) Miami. Coach L is really likable.
3) Iowa St. It'd be funny to see them win it all after Hoiberg leaves.
4) Villanova. Always bumped early, they deserve one.
5) UVa. Who doesn't like Tony Bennett?
6) Syracuse. Didn't even deserve a bid, so it would be funny to see them win it all.
7) Wisconsin. Win it the year after Bo Ryan and Frank the Tank?
8-10) A&M, Oklahoma, Notre Dame. Football school wins basketball tournament?
11) Maryland.
12) Indiana.
13) Kansas. No reason.
14) Oregon. Nightmares of Brooks and Cook kissing their own biceps. Altman is the Pac-12 Coach K. Only a Ducks fans could like that guy.
15) Gonzaga. I hate them all and hope their plane crashes into their stadium.
16) UNC.

Going to Duke is not at excuse for being a Duke fan. I went to byu, you don't see me rooting for those assholes.

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[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Sweet 16 from most to least desirable:

1) Duke. (my other alma mater)
2) Miami. Coach L is really likable.
3) Iowa St. It'd be funny to see them win it all after Hoiberg leaves.
4) Villanova. Always bumped early, they deserve one.
5) UVa. Who doesn't like Tony Bennett?
6) Syracuse. Didn't even deserve a bid, so it would be funny to see them win it all.
7) Wisconsin. Win it the year after Bo Ryan and Frank the Tank?
8-10) A&M, Oklahoma, Notre Dame. Football school wins basketball tournament?
11) Maryland.
12) Indiana.
13) Kansas. No reason.
14) Oregon. Nightmares of Brooks and Cook kissing their own biceps. Altman is the Pac-12 Coach K. Only a Ducks fans could like that guy.
15) Gonzaga. I hate them all and hope their plane crashes into their stadium.
16) UNC.

Well done. I don't see Altman leaving, but you never know. Dorsey I think would be premature to leave this year, but we've had a historic year and he's been a huge part of it so if that's what is best for him thanks Tyler! Brooks said last week he was coming back, so next year we could be really good again. Dana Altman has already performed enough miracles for sainthood, I started the application last night.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Brooks, Dorsey, and Boucher would make up the core of a tremendous team next year. As I recall Oregon has a fantastic recruiting class coming in next year too. They will be dangerous.

[LA Ute]

Brooks, Dorsey, and Boucher would make up the core of a tremendous team next year. As I recall Oregon has a fantastic recruiting class coming in next year too. They will be dangerous.

😡

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[justaute]

Don't we have similar level of returning players? :)


Brooks, Dorsey, and Boucher would make up the core of a tremendous team next year. As I recall Oregon has a fantastic recruiting class coming in next year too. They will be dangerous.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Don't we have similar level of returning players? :)
We have a similar number of players returning, but that is not the same thing. I would LOVE to have two of the best playmakers in the league and the NCAA-leading shotblocker playing on our team next year.

We are still a step below Oregon in many ways.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Grayson Allen looks like he is saying, "Ima trip a bitch!".

Go Ducks.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Few things are more beautiful than watching Duke lose.

[Diehard Ute]

Well, now I've had the joy of watching Oregon run up the score against Utah and Duke. Altman left his starters in against us until the 3 minute mark, even though we pulled ours at 10. Now Brooks shoots a 3 as time expires with an 11 point lead and then runs up to Allen to talk smack. If there is justice in the basketball world, karma will grant them a painful end to the year.

I have no problem with the shot, I don't ever expect someone to take a shot clock violation

And if that's what you took from Brooks going to Allen I'm not sure what to say.


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[Diehard Ute]

I'm just hoping I get a chance to say "karma" after those guys lose, and it better not be to UNC in a final. The Ducks are crazy loaded.

There's a reason you shake hands after a game instead of running up to the loser with hugs.

...just saw that Brooks apologized for it. He offsets the karma a bit, but is it enough?

Oh please. Like Allen has any karma to give out given his antics all year.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Brooks is Canadian. He just wanted to give him a hug and say, "Good game, eh?". He wasn't trying to rub in the fact that he got lucky with a 30 ft shot at the end.

And if Duke was the least but respectable they would have suspended Allen for the game after intentionally tripping two players in the previous game.

[NorthwestUteFan]

The shot blocking capabilities of the team is astounding. Jordan Bell is the all-time leader at Oregon, but it was Chris Boucher who led the entire NCAA in blocks this year. (btw I can't believe Bell is only a Sophomore, as he plays like a SR).

I am always impressed with Brooks. He is a fun player to watch. It is crazy to remember how far under The radar he was coming out of HS. Brekkott Chapman was ranked much higher, and there isn't a person in this forum who wouldn't swap them straight across.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I can only imagine the outcry and hatred if he played for Duke.


Waaah. The last 3-1/2 decades have been SO DIFFICULT for Duke fans...

[NorthwestUteFan]

To be honest it is astonishing to me that they began the season last year (or was it 2 yrs ago?) with only 7 players on scholarship. Dana Altmann is a miracle worker when it comes to finding amazing new talent and getting them to Oregon.

[Two Utes]

To be honest it is astonishing to me that they began the season last year (or was it 2 yrs ago?) with only 7 players on scholarship. Dana Altmann is a miracle worker when it comes to finding amazing new talent and getting them to Oregon.

Oregon is damn good. They ran Dike out of the building.

[Solon]

Brooks is Canadian. He just wanted to give him a hug and say, "Good game, eh?". He wasn't trying to rub in the fact that he got lucky with a 30 ft shot at the end.

Yeah, I agree with this. I'm sure Brooks was excited, but on TV Allen just looked like a bad sport. I think Verne Lundquist mentioned it too, although (IIRC) he said that Allen pushed him away, which clearly didn't happen. I think Allen just stonewalled him.

Oh well, they're just kids.

[LA Ute]

Yeah, I agree with this. I'm sure Brooks was excited, but on TV Allen just looked like a bad sport. I think Verne Lundquist mentioned it too, although (IIRC) he said that Allen pushed him away, which clearly didn't happen. I think Allen just stonewalled him.

Oh well, they're just kids.

I initially didn't like Brooks much but he is growing on me. Excellent player, lots of enthusiasm, and a little swagger -- which he deserves to have. I wish we had someone like him.

[DrumNFeather]

I initially didn't like Brooks much but he is growing on me. Excellent player, lots of enthusiasm, and a little swagger -- which he deserves to have. I wish we had someone like him.

Most importantly, he backs it up.

[U-Ute]

Most importantly, he backs it up.

More reason to want someone like him on the team.

[DrumNFeather]

More reason to want someone like him on the team.

Maybe we can send Bonam up there to train with him this summer.

[LA Ute]

That he does. Like everyone, I would love to have him on my team. I'm not wild about showboating, but I mind it a lot less when it comes from players I am rooting for. Isn't that true for everyone? I also mind it less in football than in basketball. Maybe the helmet and mask de-humanize it.

There have been thousands of preeners over the years who back it up with excellent play. Sometimes the general public loves it, and sometimes the player becomes a villain for it. Things like team narrative matter a lot, but often it appears to just be random.

I agree. On the preening scale, Brooks is about a 3, I think. Reggie Miller would be an 8. Not sure who is a 10.

[Two Utes]

I agree. On the preening scale, Brooks is about a 3, I think. Reggie Miller would be an 8. Not sure who is a 10.

This writer absolutely knocks it out of the park:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/lecturing-oregon-star-shows-the-bratty-sanctimony-of-mike-krzyzewski/ar-BBqUUex?li=BBnb7Kz

You can call refs f'in c#7*$ but have the right to lecture some 20 year old kid about his antics? Oh, and your punk kid can get away with tripping people multiple times because he goes to "Duke". Reminds me of BYU


I've now been to a game at Cameron Indoor. You can't beat Duke there. You are playing against 5 terrific players and 3 supporting staff of guys in black and white stripes. Forget about it.

[LA Ute]

This writer absolutely knocks it out of the park:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/lecturing-oregon-star-shows-the-bratty-sanctimony-of-mike-krzyzewski/ar-BBqUUex?li=BBnb7Kz

That's a great article.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I am a huge fan of Mike Krzyzewski, but even byu would have suspended Allen for his tripping antics last weekend.

[Two Utes]

That article shows the bratty sanctimony of its author.

The "lecture" that he whines about? Post game advice lasting about 5 seconds. Advice that Brooks said he appreciated. On the poor sportsmanship scale, it barely rates at all. It's certainly no Boeheim meltdown.

There is no greater example of confirmation bias than people whining about Duke getting all the calls. There could be 30 bad calls in a game against Duke and one in their favor, and we all know which call would be talked about.

"Do you want a list?" That quote is the reporter's evidence of Coach K being a bully and a sore loser? That's it? That and a "lecture" are the only examples he gives. He uses all the following words: sanctimonious, sniveling, pompous, whiny, egomaniac, bully. It's really just another message board rant.

Coach K should have suspended Allen for the tripping. I'm surprised he didn't, given his willingness to suspend players for team rules violations.

In my limited interactions with Coach K at Duke, I could not really call him a saint. He is like most of the rich and powerful people I have known (a small set to be sure). I don't think I would really enjoy hanging out with him. But it's silly to pretend that his players are the only ones who draw charges for flopping.

Until I read the end of your post, I was thinking, "this guy must've gone to Duke".

[SeattleUte]

Now with some distance from the way the season ended, I'm chill. Sometimes it's not your year. This year was sort of our year; it was fine. Last season we were Sweet 16 and Oregon was 32. I look forward to Coach Kodiak making a liar out of our good friend HFNW when he said Kodiak will never accomplish as much as Oregon's coach.

[LA Ute]

Now with some distance from the way the season ended, I'm chill. Sometimes it's not your year. This year was sort of our year; it was fine. Last season we were Sweet 16 and Oregon was 32. I look forward to Coach Kodiak making a liar out of our good friend HFNW when he said Kodiak will never accomplish as much as Oregon's coach.

I know you and others here disagree with me, but if Altman can do it in a town like Eugene, with a lower-level academic school like Oregon, and Miller can do it in Tucson, Larry can do it in Salt Lake. Yes, yes, more money, bigger reputations, larger tax bases in their respective states. So what? It will take time, and Larry needs to stay. But it can be done.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

Utah now has the best basketball facilities in the league. We have a great fan base. We should be able to build on that.

[hostile]

We also have the best fans and message boards.
Duh. Everyone knows that.

[LA Ute]

Does anybody think we would have beaten Syracuse?


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[NorthwestUteFan]

If we had a 3 like Dillon Brooks we would have crushed both Gonzaga and Syracuse.

[mpfunk]

Nice job Coach K getting caught trying to throw a player under the bus to cover for yourself. Not a surprise at all.

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[DrumNFeather]

Brooks and K both handled the situation just fine in the post-game pressers. Man alive we overreact to just about every "incident" in sports these days. Great player, great coach. Move on.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Now with some distance from the way the season ended, I'm chill. Sometimes it's not your year. This year was sort of our year; it was fine. Last season we were Sweet 16 and Oregon was 32. I look forward to Coach Kodiak making a liar out of our good friend HFNW when he said Kodiak will never accomplish as much as Oregon's coach.

Ha! Other than a playful barb or two about his cancelling the BYU series, I don't think I've ever said anything but Krysko is a really good coach. I think the near future of the P12 is very bright. Altman, Miller, Krys, Boyle, Tinkle, Alford are all high level coaches and run very good programs. It will be battles every year.

[mUUser]

Does anybody think we would have beaten Syracuse?


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I got the sense this team was mentally exhausted after the P12 run. Glad we won our first round but the loss to Gonzaga didn't surprise me.....although the manner in which we lost was shocking.

My heart had us in the sweet 16. My head knew better than that.

[LA Ute]

My heart had us in the sweet 16. My head knew better than that.

I was in the same place. I thought Gonzaga would be a toss-up. Instead, everything that could go wrong did go wrong.



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[LA Ute]

I'm as shocked at how badly Oregon is doing against Oklahoma as I was at how the Utes fared against Gonzaga. (I expect a few responses from those who saw this coming all along.)

I'm still rooting for the Ducks.


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[SeattleUte]

Shit! It's happening again.


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[DrumNFeather]

What will this say about our league???(nobody will remember this next year).

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[LA Ute]

I'm still expecting a close game. Oregon will make a run. They are too good not to, and even Buddy Hield has to cool off at some point.

Of course, if it is a blowout, I won't mind at all.

Key stats so far:

3-pt. FG shooting: Okies ahead, 52-25%. Oklahoma 10 of 19, Oregon just 4 of 16. That may be the story of the game.

Rebounding has gotten better for the Ducks, but still 29-20 in Okies' favor. 13 of those 29 are offensive.





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[LA Ute]

Glad I was wrong. See you next year Brooks, Bell, Boucher, and Benson! Hope you're somewhere else, Dorsey!

It'd be ok with me if Brooks left too.


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[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Wow. Buddy was amazing. Too many open looks, but many of those were pretty well defended and he just made huge buckets. Brooks was clearly out of it tonight, hat tip Coach K. Best Oregon team ever, still room to improve. Excited for next years P12 season, should be another great year for the league.

[hostile]

Wow. Buddy was amazing. Too many open looks, but many of those were pretty well defended and he just made huge buckets. Brooks was clearly out of it tonight, hat tip Coach K. Best Oregon team ever, still room to improve. Excited for next years P12 season, should be another great year for the league.

Sorry about the loss. I have enjoyed watching Oregon play this year except for three times.

[SeattleUte]

I'm loving this Kansas-Villanova game. It reminds me why college basketball is my favorite. Want to know what fight, never say die looks like? Behold! Only in this tournament are so we intimately in touch with savage athletic competition with high stakes. I wish I was there! Two really well coached teams at every level, especially the intangible.


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[SeattleUte]

I can't say enough about Villanova's effort. When they went down by 5 everything was going Kansas' way, making a three point play off the top of the backboard, banking in a three while Villanova was blowing lay ups and turning over. Then somehow Villanova turned it around, 10-0 run.



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[SeattleUte]

What will this say about our league???(nobody will remember this next year).

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Meaningless. We're the Pac 12--the most glamorous league with the world at our feet that seems almost always to do this. They'll always respect us in the same way they always have.

[SeattleUte]

No truck stops! ... maybe Pullman. Corvallis.

I don't know much about Corvallis but Pullman is no Waco. It's near to spectacular wilderness and scenery and not far from world class wine country.

[SeattleUte]

Not wine country like is in Virginia.


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[DrumNFeather]

Massive choke by Virginia.

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[SeattleUte]

Oh man. One of the things I love about college basketball is it teaches the unjust, arbitrary qualities of like. I hate Boeheim. He's a terrible person.


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[LA Ute]

Interesting that Notre Dame thinks they can use up almost the entire shot clock on each offensive possession when they are down by 10 with 8 minutes to go.


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[UBlender]

Oh man. One of the things I love about college basketball is it teaches the unjust, arbitrary qualities of like. I hate Boeheim. He's a terrible person.


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Yeah, this strikes me as one of those "good things happen to bad people" scenarios.

[SeattleUte]

Yeah, this strikes me as one of those "good things happen to bad people" scenarios.

If he got run over by a bus at the Final Four it would help restore my faith in Universal Justice.

[LA Ute]

The Most Dangerous Place in College Basketball

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-most-dangerous-place-in-college-basketball-1459205100

This is about the resurgence of the full-court press in the NCAA tourney, after years out of favor.

[Scorcho]

Oh yippee, the Final Four is at RNG Stadium in Houston. The same site where everyone last year griped about the backdrops being so far away that every game was a clank-fest. This will be like watching a game of horse between Jonas Langvad and Chris Reyes

[SeattleUte]

Villanova reminds me of the 1998 Utes.

[SeattleUte]

UNC reminds me of vomit stained garbage.

How weird is it for this UNC team to steal a title, though? After so many teams full of NBA talent, they finally win with this team? They only have 1 real star, and he's not a huge NBA prospect. They didn't really scare anyone all season, but they made it through the bracket. Their best win in the tournament is, what, Indiana? They haven't really been tested by a good team yet.

I guess Duke stole one recently like that in 2000.

I wouldn't bet against Villanova.

[DrumNFeather]

UNC reminds me of vomit stained garbage.

How weird is it for this UNC team to steal a title, though? After so many teams full of NBA talent, they finally win with this team? They only have 1 real star, and he's not a huge NBA prospect. They didn't really scare anyone all season, but they made it through the bracket. Their best win in the tournament is, what, Indiana? They haven't really been tested by a good team yet.

I guess Duke stole one recently like that in 2000.
I'm a little tired of Cryin Roy Williams.

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[LA Ute]

Villanova reminds me of the 1998 Utes.

I ws thinking the same thing. Just saw the stats and Nova's scoring is very balanced.


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[chrisrenrut]

Wow, classic!

[Rocker Ute]

Stone cold. Great game.


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[DrumNFeather]

Best tournament game ever?

Holy cow. After Paiges shot, it was either make a last second game winner or lose in overtime for the Wildcats.
Good for Jay Wright. Best dressed coach gets to add a ring to that get up.

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[LA Ute]

I was at LAX and saw the game was in the bar. I wanted to get home but realized I was watching history so i sat down and watched the last 7:00 or so. Am I glad I did! Has there ever been a more thrilling finish to a championship game?


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[LA Ute]

I've gotta say, that last shot was a well-executed play.


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[SeattleUte]

I told you guys. Villanova outworks everybody. They remind me of the 1998 Utes. I want to see Ute teams work that hard, fight that hard again.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

And then Twitter happens.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/e147129766b34b22af84426e7c9591bc.jpg


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[Diehard Ute]

And then Twitter happens.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/e147129766b34b22af84426e7c9591bc.jpg


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For those who don't know. That's Utah State Senator Jackson, father of Frank

(He's leaving the senate and moving back east)


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