2019 Basketball Recruiting Thread

[U-Ute]

Isaac Johnson
6'9" PF
American Fork HS

http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/695697?referrer_id=

Offered by BYU as well.

Listed in 247Sports as #35 in their top 10 for 2019.

http://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

[U-Ute]

Brandon Carlson. A 6'10" 2017 prospect who will go on his mission and come back for 2019.

Offers from Stanford, UCLA, and BYU. A great pickup!

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1720754-breaking-down-utah-commit-branden-carlson

[UtahsMrSports]

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4739919-155/boys-basketball-rylan-jones-brings-potential

Cool article on Rylan Jones, who many assume will be a Ute!

[LA Ute]

Brandon Carlson. A 6'10" 2017 prospect who will go on his mission and come back for 2019.

Offers from Stanford, UCLA, and BYU. A great pickup!

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1720754-breaking-down-utah-commit-branden-carlson

His highlights:

http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/693952?referrer_id=

The way this kid moves reminds me of Poeltl.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

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[U-Ute]

My goodness.

He makes Krystkowiak look short.

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[Applejack]

My goodness.

He makes Krystkowiak look short.

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...and fat. Branden is what my mom would call a "string bean."

[Diehard Ute]

...and fat. Branden is what my mom would call a "string bean."

Of course that is Larry sans thyroid.


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[U-Ute]

American Fork's Isaac Johnson getting some run.

https://www.prephoops.com/2017/01/player-interview-isaac-johnson/


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[DrumNFeather]

Rylan Jones officially commits to Utah.

[UtahsMrSports]

Rylan Jones officially commits to Utah.

Though this was expected, its certainly nice to see. Legitimate top 100 talent. Looking forward to seeing him on the team in a couple of years! Now..........come on Matt Mitchell..............

[LA Ute]

A 4-star PG. Cool. (Rylan Jones from Olympus High.) Scout has him the #12 best PG and #65 overall best player. 2019 commit.

[Two Utes]

A 4-star PG. Cool. (Rylan Jones from Olympus High.) Scout has him the #12 best PG and #65 overall best player. 2019 commit.


He plays the game the right way. Love, love, love how he plays as a point guard.

His only challenge will be defense. Who does he defend and how does he defend? Not very big.

[mUUser]

Rylan Jones officially commits to Utah.


A "quiet" commitment, with little fanfare.....

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/2017/08/08/utah-mens-basketball-utes-get-commit-from-olympus-guard-rylan-jones/

[U-Ute]

Cassius Stanley seems amazing. Great hops and overall athleticism. This is a video from when he was in 9th grade.

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[LA Ute]

Cassius Stanley seems amazing. Great hops and overall athleticism. This is a video from when he was in 9th grade.

Is he looking at Utah? If he's at Harvard-Westlake USC or UCLA will be all over him.

[U-Ute]

Is he looking at Utah? If he's at Harvard-Westlake USC or UCLA will be all over him.

He has offers from 6 P12 schools. Utah not among them so far.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

This seems notable.

EDIT: Sorry, I’ve got all sorts of wires crossed on this. Move along!

[Old Standing ute]

Matt Van Komen--Pleasant Grove 7'4" was at the UCLA game last night.

At halftime I walked up the stairs right behind him. It is hard to appreciate 7'4" until you stand close to him---his head barely cleared the top of the exit at the Hunty at the top of the stairs.
Collette is listed at 6'10" --this kid is half a foot taller.
He was sitting right behind Rylan Jones.
They both were staying after the game after most people had left & were talking to each other---this would be Rylan's best assist--landing Van Komen.

You can't teach tall---some people say they want an athletic 6'10" over 7'4"--not so sure after seeing VK in person.

[concerned]

Matt Van Komen--Pleasant Grove 7'4" was at the UCLA game last night.

At halftime I walked up the stairs right behind him. It is hard to appreciate 7'4" until you stand close to him---his head barely cleared the top of the exit at the Hunty at the top of the stairs.
Collette is listed at 6'10" --this kid is half a foot taller.
He was sitting right behind Rylan Jones.
They both were staying after the game after most people had left & were talking to each other---this would be Rylan's best assist--landing Van Komen.

You can't teach tall---some people say they want an athletic 6'10" over 7'4"--not so sure after seeing VK in person.

I have read that he is leaning Gonzaga (maybe strongly), but there is still a long way to go.

[sancho]

I have read that he is leaning Gonzaga (maybe strongly), but there is still a long way to go.

Hopefully someone pointed out that while we were playing a meaningful late-season game against UCLA last night, Gonzaga was playing a completely meaningless game against San Fransisco, Pepperdine or Santa Clara.

[UtahsMrSports]

Sounds like he was there again yesterday. Signing him would put us at +2 for 2019. Long time before then but I'm not sure which two you boot. But, at the end of the day, you do what you gotta do!

[sancho]

I'm not sure which two you boot.

Two is easy - Jokl and Caldwell.

[UtahsMrSports]

Two is easy - Jokl and Caldwell.

Jokl probably goes this year to solve our +1 problem. Still at plus 2 in 2019. Wouldn't surprise me to see an end of the bench wing transfer and get replaced by a grad transfer center.

[sancho]

Jokl probably goes this year to solve our +1 problem. Still at plus 2 in 2019. Wouldn't surprise me to see an end of the bench wing transfer and get replaced by a grad transfer center.

Oh, I see. You did say 2019. That's too far off for me to speculate.

[Mormon Red Death]

Ute 2019 pg recruit rylan Jones leads Olympus to state championship.

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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Jones is your 2017 Mr. Basketball.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865697010/Olympus-Highs-speedy-guard-Rylan-Jones-is-Deseret-News-2018-Mr-Basketball.html


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[Scorcho]

Jones is your 2017 Mr. Basketball.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865697010/Olympus-Highs-speedy-guard-Rylan-Jones-is-Deseret-News-2018-Mr-Basketball.html


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Kansas State is getting a good one in 2020 :stirthepot:

[Old Standing ute]

Rylan is lighting it up on an AAU team with Isaac Johnson, Van Komen & Larry K's 2 sons. Rylan is leading scorer & plays the most minutes. Johnson & Van Komen have about equal minutes & Stats.

[UBlender]

Rylan is lighting it up on an AAU team with Isaac Johnson, Van Komen & Larry K's 2 sons. Rylan is leading scorer & plays the most minutes. Johnson & Van Komen have about equal minutes & Stats.

Forgive me if this has been asked and answered already, but what is the deal with Larry's sons? Are they D1 prospects? Are they the Jake Connors of the next generation? Would they want to play for their dad or go form their own identity?

[Rocker Ute]

Forgive me if this has been asked and answered already, but what is the deal with Larry's sons? Are they D1 prospects? Are they the Jake Connors of the next generation? Would they want to play for their dad or go form their own identity?

Bizarro Randy and Robbie Reid.

[Scratch]

My understanding is that at least one of them is a legit D1 prospect, but lower level D1. Not sure about the other one.

[UtahsMrSports]

In the last couple of days, 7'4 center Matt Van Komen has picked up a plethora of crystal ball predictions to Utah. He was thought to be heading to gonzaga. Could be interesting.

[UtahsMrSports]

In the last couple of days, 7'4 center Matt Van Komen has picked up a plethora of crystal ball predictions to Utah. He was thought to be heading to gonzaga. Could be interesting.

Andddddddddd hes in! Hat tip to DrumNFeather, as he was the first one I saw to pick up the news.

[LA Ute]

Andddddddddd hes in! Hat tip to DrumNFeather, as he was the first one I saw to pick up the news.

Story:

https://247sports.com/college/utah/Article/BREAKING-Utah-basketball-receives-commitment-from-seven-footer-120188347/

This looks pretty significant, at least potentially. Amiright?

[Scratch]

We have 4 guys coming in and only 3 seniors. So someone will have to go. Which is probably about where you want to be heading into the season, since it's a pretty safe bet that at least one player will leave after the season.

[sancho]

7'4" Frankenstein. Love it. He is one of the rare recruits that actually thought about living in Spokane long enough to make the right call.

[sancho]

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We have a team full of freshmen, and we didn't get one guy on this list. I really hope he can eat his list by season's end.

[Scratch]

I really like how our bigs are shaping up for the future. Of course Jayce is around for a couple of years, and then we will have a lot of flexibility with Thioune, Battin, Carlsen, and MVK. We will also be able to play small with Tillman or maybe Allen as the second-biggest guy on the court. Will be fun to see how it plays out.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

And we’re out.

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[Scorcho]

And we’re out.

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How is Marquette in the final four, and Arizona still? Sometimes I hate sports.

[justaute]

Thought I had read on Utehub that we didn't recruit him that hard.


How is Marquette in the final four, and Arizona still? Sometimes I hate sports.

[snafu]

Thought I had read on Utehub that we didn't recruit him that hard.

We already snagged a 2019 PG in Rylan Jones. I wonder how much that played into Nico's recruitment.

[UtahsMrSports]

We would have gladly taken Nico even with Rylan. We absolutely recruited him. However, the issue was that we were never in the picture. We made the top 10 as a courtesy, and nothing more.

[Diehard Ute]

We would have gladly taken Nico even with Rylan. We absolutely recruited him. However, the issue was that we were never in the picture. We made the top 10 as a courtesy, and nothing more.

This shouldn’t be a big surprise.

Pace hasn’t exactly been a huge supporter of his Alma Mater


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

This shouldn’t be a big surprise.

Pace hasn’t exactly been a huge supporter of his Alma Mater


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I knew that Pace wasn’t super close with the program but I thought that he and Larry had a good enough relationship to get us close.


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[Old Standing ute]

I literally crossed paths with Van Komen at the FB game last night--on the plaza behind the south end zone--he was next to Beau Rydalch who they list at 6'6" - he made Rydalch look small. 7'4" is Really Tall--hard to appreciate it until you are next to him.

He was decked out in Ute gear so his commitment is strong.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I'm 6'6". My high school friend lived down the street from Big Mark Eaton, and met him several times. He is mammoth, and i felt like a toddler next to him.

[Scorcho]

Nico Mannion just made it official to Arizona

:swear:

[LA Ute]

Nico Mannion just made it official to Arizona

:swear:

Every time we play those guys the commentators will mention (probably more than once) that his dad played at Utah. Ugh.

[sancho]

Nico Mannion just made it official to Arizona

Well, I hope he has a reasonably happy life and an absolutely miserable college basketball career.

[snafu]

I understand the need for the conference to show well nationally but I will happily root for anyone playing against AZ.

[concerned]

I understand the need for the conference to show well nationally but I will happily root for anyone playing against AZ.

Morality trumps loyalty.

Geez, you know how you can't use the word gay anymore in it's original sense? The same thing is happening with trump.

[UtahsMrSports]

American Fork Big Isaac Johnson (top 70 in 247 for 2019) was in for an official this past week. Also visiting the Y, Gonzaga, and Oregon. No one seems to know where he stands as he doesn't much care for media attention.

[concerned]

American Fork Big Isaac Johnson (top 70 in 247 for 2019) was in for an official this past week. Also visiting the Y, Gonzaga, and Oregon. No one seems to know where he stands as he doesn't much care for media attention.

I had heard at the time van komen committed that he was not coming here. Dont know if that has changed. Also heard that we will go on a mission while Van Komen won't.

[DrumNFeather]

I also read the other day that Larry's boy got an offer from UMASS. I imagine if he ended up at the U it would be as a walk on, so it will be interesting to see if he takes a D1 offer or stays home to play for pops.

[Scratch]

I had heard a while ago that Johnson had kind of stagnated as a prospect and that his options had largely dried up and he would end up at BYU, but I don't really know how accurate that was.

[UtahsMrSports]

Ive heard similar things to you guys. I remember reading that he did not have a good camp at Utah this summer and sometimes was maybe uninterested. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ends up at BYU but who knows. Side note: anyone seen byu's recruiting class for 2019? Dave Rose either sees things that literally no one else does or he is mailing it in.

[Rocker Ute]

Ive heard similar things to you guys. I remember reading that he did not have a good camp at Utah this summer and sometimes was maybe uninterested. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ends up at BYU but who knows. Side note: anyone seen byu's recruiting class for 2019? Dave Rose either sees things that literally no one else does or he is mailing it in.

How could you not start mailing it in as a basketball coach at BYU? Your season is basically to lose to Gonzaga (and occasionally St Marys) and then play the crappy teams of the WCC in some of the nicer high school gyms of the Pacific Northwest.

[UtahsMrSports]

How could you not start mailing it in as a basketball coach at BYU? Your season is basically to lose to Gonzaga (and occasionally St Marys) and then play the crappy teams of the WCC in some of the nicer high school gyms of the Pacific Northwest.

Right, but this is a whole new level of mailing it in.
https://247sports.com/college/byu/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/

[Rocker Ute]

Right, but this is a whole new level of mailing it in.
https://247sports.com/college/byu/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/

Good point. When Rose shows up to a game in sweats and lays down on the floor and eats Cheetos we'll know. I give this a 90% chance of happening.


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[concerned]

According to Hanno, this guy just committed to Utah

Mikael Jantunen already a starter on the Finnish national team


https://eurospects.com/?page_id=6144

[chrisrenrut]

How do you say "BOOM" in Finnish?

Bööm?

[UtahsMrSports]

Now overcommitted by 2 for the class of 2019. The staff is learning from prior years and overbooking.........I like it, though it leaves the roster somewhat imbalanced towards bigs and my way too early guesses on transfers out.

[snafu]

Now overcommitted by 2 for the class of 2019. The staff is learning from prior years and overbooking.........I like it, though it leaves the roster somewhat imbalanced towards bigs and my way too early guesses on transfers out.

Off the top of my head we are losing Barefield, Topolovic and Van Dyke. That is three spots for the three commits. Am I missing something?

[Scratch]

Off the top of my head we are losing Barefield, Topolovic and Van Dyke. That is three spots for the three commits. Am I missing something?

Branden Carlson and Jaxon Brenchley (2017 commits) are returning from missions.

[UtahsMrSports]

2019-2020 roster as of now:

Bigs:
Johnson
Van Komen
Carlson
Battin
Thioune
Jantunen
Tillman

Wings/Points:
Jones
Jones
Gaskin
Popoola
Gach
Hendrix
Allen
Brenchley

[Scratch]

2019-2020 roster as of now:

Bigs:
Johnson
Van Komen
Carlson
Battin
Thioune
Jantunen
Tillman

Wings/Points:
Jones
Jones
Gaskin
Popoola
Gach
Hendrix
Allen
Brenchley

So at least 2 of those guys will be gone. I would guess one will be Popoola, but I have a hard time seeing who will be the other. Probably someone (or multiple someones) will get buried and see the writing on the wall because they are buried behind people in their own class or a younger class. However, I have no idea whatsoever who that will be. Really hard to project that.

[concerned]

So at least 2 of those guys will be gone. I would guess one will be Popoola, but I have a hard time seeing who will be the other. Probably someone (or multiple someones) will get buried and see the writing on the wall because they are buried behind people in their own class or a younger class. However, I have no idea whatsoever who that will be. Really hard to project that.


Yeah, there definitely will not be enough minutes to go around. One besides Popoola will leave, but more than that will be unhappy.

[Scratch]

2019-2020 roster as of now:

Bigs:
Johnson
Van Komen
Carlson
Battin
Thioune
Jantunen
Tillman

Wings/Points:
Jones
Jones
Gaskin
Popoola
Gach
Hendrix
Allen
Brenchley

Another thing to note, the makeup of those 15 players is 2 seniors, 2 juniors (including Popoola, so draw your own conclusions there), 6 sophomores (depending on possible redshirts this year), and 5 freshmen. Crazy young team, it's going to be fascinating to see how these guys shake out.

[snafu]

So at least 2 of those guys will be gone. I would guess one will be Popoola, but I have a hard time seeing who will be the other. Probably someone (or multiple someones) will get buried and see the writing on the wall because they are buried behind people in their own class or a younger class. However, I have no idea whatsoever who that will be. Really hard to project that.

I don't think it is unreasonable to think that at least one of these young guns blossoms early and heads to the NBA next year.

[UTEopia]

Branden Carlson and Jaxon Brenchley (2017 commits) are returning from missions.

Does anyone know when Carlson and Benchley left on their missions. Depending on the timing, I guess it is possible one or both could get bumped to 2020. I hope LK does not do anything that will discourage them from joining the program. That is a bad look.

[UtahsMrSports]

Does anyone know when Carlson and Benchley left on their missions. Depending on the timing, I guess it is possible one or both could get bumped to 2020. I hope LK does not do anything that will discourage them from joining the program. That is a bad look.

Looking through the old twitter machine, Brenchley seems to have left June 14, 2017 and Carlson the following week.

[UtahsMrSports]

Pop Sr. posted a tweet that Isaac Johnson is down to Oregon and Utah. Still no timetable for a decision. I believe he will leave for a mission right after graduation.

[UtahsMrSports]

Signing day!

Ryaln Jones and Jantunen are in. Still waiting on Matt Van Komen..

[UtahsMrSports]

Van komen is in!

[SoCalPat]

I don't think it is unreasonable to think that at least one of these young guns blossoms early and heads to the NBA next year.

Totally unreasonable.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Frankly, I don't want One-and-Done players to come through the program.

[LA Ute]

Frankly, I don't want One-and-Done players to come through the program.

Preach, brother.

[U-Ute]

Frankly, I don't want One-and-Done players to come through the program.

I do! You need talent to win and I want to win!

[SeattleUte]

No kidding. There's not one of us who would have said no to Zion Williamson. If you think about one-and-done programs, you have schools that are in the tournament every year and are often in the sweet 16.

I love following players for 4 years. How amazing was it to watch Josh Grant, Andre Miller, KVH, etc for their entire college careers? Nothing compares to that. There are very few successful programs still running purely on that model, though.

There have been plenty of programs with a lot of one and dones who haves gone nowhere. The most dominant team lately, Villanova, hasn’t had any.

[concerned]

I do! You need talent to win and I want to win!

Not me. It would have been awful to have Lauri Markennen or deandre ayton. I would have refused to come to any games
So good thing we didnt get them.

Joking aside, i do think that it is a good thing that the G league is trying to take those guys out of college ball.

[U-Ute]

Joking aside, i do think that it is a good thing that the G league is trying to take those guys out of college ball.

I agree. This will be the final nail in college basketball’s coffin.


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[LA Ute]

I agree. This will be the final nail in college basketball’s coffin.


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Do you think it will kill college hoops, or only college hoops’ role as a stop-off for elite NBA players?

[UtahsMrSports]

The real threat to college basketball isn't the g-league, its Lavar Ball's Junior Basketball Association.

[concerned]

I agree. This will be the final nail in college basketball’s coffin.


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I think it will save college hoops. Make it more competitive, build fan interest at those schools where players leave after on year, and more loyalty. Get rid of the farce that one-and-dones are going to class, etc.

[NorthwestUteFan]

The real threat to college basketball isn't the g-league, its Lavar Ball's Junior Basketball Association.I can't think of anything I wanted more to see go down in flames than that idea. Maybe since the XFL.

[mUUser]

2019 commits Matt Van Komen & Rylan Jones faced off last night. PG beat Olympus on a left handed layup with no time left on the clock. Casey Brown, a BYU commit also played.

At 7'4", MVK and disruptive. He has plenty of room to improve. I'd call him a project with a lot of upside.

Krystko was there watching his recruits. Olympus has Skyview on Friday, where we'll be able to assess Utah recruit Mason Falslev -- Utah will be playing in the P12 championship at the same time.

[Scorcho]

2019 commits Matt Van Komen & Rylan Jones faced off last night. PG beat Olympus on a left handed layup with no time left on the clock. Casey Brown, a BYU commit also played.

At 7'4", MVK and disruptive. He has plenty of room to improve. I'd call him a project with a lot of upside.

Krystko was there watching his recruits. Olympus has Skyview on Friday, where we'll be able to assess Utah recruit Mason Falslev -- Utah will be playing in the P12 championship at the same time.

here are a few highlights from those two from last night

https://twitter.com/JJSportsBeat/status/1067658992288096256

[mUUser]

here are a few highlights from those two from last night

https://twitter.com/JJSportsBeat/status/1067658992288096256


Rylan was clearly the best player on the court yesterday, and almost always a man among boys. Played like it last night as well. The kid will do some damage in a Utah uniform.

[UtahsMrSports]

The staff offered a 2019 top-100 guard in the last couple of days.

https://247sports.com/Player/Harlond-Beverly-46040841/

[mUUser]

The staff offered a 2019 top-100 guard in the last couple of days.

https://247sports.com/Player/Harlond-Beverly-46040841/


Chances look grim. What’s the holdup on offering Jeremy DowDell from Olympus? Kid is deadliest assassin I’ve seen in a long time.

[Scratch]

Chances look grim. What’s the holdup on offering Jeremy DowDell from Olympus? Kid is deadliest assassin I’ve seen in a long time.

Love Dowdell, kid is an insane shooter. Unfortunately, he's not quite big enough or athletic enough or a good enough ball handler to play high D1 ball. If he could just check one of those other 3 boxes to go along with his shooting then he'd be on the Utes' radar.

[UtahsMrSports]

Chances look grim. What’s the holdup on offering Jeremy DowDell from Olympus? Kid is deadliest assassin I’ve seen in a long time.

What makes you say chances look grim?

[UtahsMrSports]

The offer list includes most of the Big10 and some good parts of the ACC and Big East. That's why I thought it was grim when I followed the link.

I think there is more than meets the eye here. Most of those offers are old; some even a year and a half. All of the crystal ball picks are more than a year old. I just dont see why our staff would get involved if there was no shot at this point in the game. I cant think of a single time in Larry K's tenure that he has thrown an offer for the heck of it this late. Im not predicting he will pick us by any means, but I think this is one to keep an eye on.

[SeattleUte]

I think there is more than meets the eye here. Most of those offers are old; some even a year and a half. All of the crystal ball picks are more than a year old. I just dont see why our staff would get involved if there was no shot at this point in the game. I cant think of a single time in Larry K's tenure that he has thrown an offer for the heck of it this late. Im not predicting he will pick us by any means, but I think this is one to keep an eye on.

This is BS. Our coaches continuously make terrible recruiting decisions, including unrealistic offers while passing on local kids who could make a difference. They do less with more than any coaches we’ve ever had.

[mUUser]

Love Dowdell, kid is an insane shooter. Unfortunately, he's not quite big enough or athletic enough or a good enough ball handler to play high D1 ball. If he could just check one of those other 3 boxes to go along with his shooting then he'd be on the Utes' radar.

Jimmer's on line 1. He'd like to drop another 47 on us in our house. :saythat:


That reminded of Jake Connor, so I looked him up. 10 ppg on 38% 3FG in 35 mpg.

Is this Jake Connor's senior line or DowDell's sixth grade stats?

[UtahsMrSports]

This is BS. Our coaches continuously make terrible recruiting decisions, including unrealistic offers while passing on local kids who could make a difference. They do less with more than any coaches we’ve ever had.

Lol.

[Utebiquitous]

I wonder if the coaches ever consult a skills coach about how to develop a player like Dowdell. I completely agree with Scratch other than I think Dowdell is big enough but ball-handling would be an issue. I really haven't seen him play enough to know if he's more than a catch and shoot player as well at a high D1 level. Hence the ball-handling question. I would think both could be worked on. His stroke is just so beautiful. I know he's a poor defensive player as well but that doesn't seem to be something our Utes are evaluating well anyway. I do think he shows something that could translate into better defensive play - he's a competitive sucker.

I don't know - like the Brighton player we took (I forget his name), it might be worth the scholarship and then let him move on if he's not going to get the minutes. I think that player ended up at Dixie State.

[Mormon Red Death]

I wonder if the coaches ever consult a skills coach about how to develop a player like Dowdell. I completely agree with Scratch other than I think Dowdell is big enough but ball-handling would be an issue. I really haven't seen him play enough to know if he's more than a catch and shoot player as well at a high D1 level. Hence the ball-handling question. I would think both could be worked on. His stroke is just so beautiful. I know he's a poor defensive player as well but that doesn't seem to be something our Utes are evaluating well anyway. I do think he shows something that could translate into better defensive play - he's a competitive sucker.

I don't know - like the Brighton player we took (I forget his name), it might be worth the scholarship and then let him move on if he's not going to get the minutes. I think that player ended up at Dixie State.So we couldn't use a 6'6 guy who will nail the corner 3 at 43% clip? Is this guy any less size wise than PVD?

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[hostile]

So we couldn't use a 6'6 guy who will nail the corner 3 at 43% clip? Is this guy any less size wise than PVD?

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No way he is 6’6”

[UTEopia]

Utes have offered a JUCO kid in the last few days. Looks like more transfers on the horizon.

[DrumNFeather]

Utes have offered a JUCO kid in the last few days. Looks like more transfers on the horizon.

The obvious odd man out right now seems to be Charles Jones Jr.

[chrisrenrut]

The obvious odd man out right now seems to be Charles Jones Jr.

Probably just as much chance for Gaskin.

[DrumNFeather]

Probably just as much chance for Gaskin.

Definitely. I'd love to see him stay because it would be nice for the program to have a kid redshirt, develop, improve, and earn playing time. Maybe Gaskin isn't that guy, but I'd like to think he is.

[UtahsMrSports]

Cool article on a Native American player that we are pursuing.

A John Dehlin-esque hat tip to Utebuntu on twitter for sending this out.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/feb/19/rayquan-evans-draws-interest-from-big-colleges-as-/

[UtahsMrSports]

We are in the top 4 for juco guard tajzmel sherman. He averaged 26/5/5 with 1.5 steals on 49/39/88 shooting splits this year. Our competition is west Virginia, Texas tech, and smu

[UtahsMrSports]

Cool article on a Native American player that we are pursuing.

A John Dehlin-esque hat tip to Utebuntu on twitter for sending this out.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/feb/19/rayquan-evans-draws-interest-from-big-colleges-as-/

Took a look at his stats.....hes only hitting 29% from downtown but he shoots more than 8 free throws per game and gets 8.5 boards, to go along with his 22 points and 4.4 assists.

I think either juco guy would be a nice addition.

[mUUser]

https://playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/poy/assets/writable/54056/2019_BBB_RJones.pdf


He was a huge recruit for us. Will be a difference maker right out of the gate.

[LA Ute]

https://playeroftheyear.gatorade.com/poy/assets/writable/54056/2019_BBB_RJones.pdf


He was a huge recruit for us. Will be a difference maker right out of the gate.

The Great Ute Hope:

https://www.utahby5.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2524&stc=1

[UtahsMrSports]

Tajzmel Sherman is on campus at the moment on a visit, per Bill.

[sancho]

Tajzmel Sherman is on campus at the moment on a visit, per Bill.

Fingers crossed!

[DrumNFeather]

Tajzmel Sherman is on campus at the moment on a visit, per Bill.

But the real question is...how many fans are tweeting at him and encouraging him to come here...

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

But the real question is...how many fans are tweeting at him and encouraging him to come here...

I'm going to go with, a fair amount.

2526

[UtahsMrSports]

https://247sports.com/college/utah/Article/Tajzmel-Sherman-Talks-Utah-visit-and-Recruiting-130564035/

For anyone with a 247 subscription. I have no idea what is inside of this. Sounds like Texas Tech may not be under consideration anymore, based on Brett's tweets.

Curious if Pat can shed any light on how highly regarded his JUCO team/league is.

[SoCalPat]

https://247sports.com/college/utah/Article/Tajzmel-Sherman-Talks-Utah-visit-and-Recruiting-130564035/

For anyone with a 247 subscription. I have no idea what is inside of this. Sounds like Texas Tech may not be under consideration anymore, based on Brett's tweets.

Curious if Pat can shed any light on how highly regarded his JUCO team/league is.

It’s a good league, as most Texas JUCO leagues are. Collin CC finished second to Ranger, which was national runner-up. Taj scored 46 in an OT game that gave Ranger its only league loss, and went 21-25 from the line in that game.

[UtahsMrSports]

We've been reported as having contacted a couple of grad transfer PGs; Max Hazzard (hat tip: DrumNFeather) from UC Irvine and Brandon Boyd from Idaho State.

I don't think we will seriously pursue either, but something to keep an eye on as things play out. I think and hope that the staff has learned from the 2016 disaster.

Also of note: SMU just got a commitment from a 6'4 juco guard, which may take them out of the Tajzmel Sherman sweepstakes.

[sancho]

We've been reported as having contacted a couple of grad transfer PGs; Max Hazzard (hat tip: DrumNFeather) from UC Irvine and Brandon Boyd from Idaho State.


Dude from Irvine would bring NCAA tournament experience.

[mUUser]

Two more articles on Rylan Jones.....then I'll leave it alone and let his performance next season speak for itself.....whether good or bad.



https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900062920/a-relentless-pursuit-to-get-better-helps-olympus-rylan-jones-earn-a-second-mr-basketball-award.html

https://www.deseretnews.com/top/4099/0/A-closer-look-at-the-2019-Utah-5A-All-State-Boys-Basketball-Team.html

[sancho]

Two more articles on Rylan Jones.....then I'll leave it alone and let his performance next season speak for itself.....whether good or bad.


I think it will be good - I'm a very hopeful person. In my mind, I already have him winning the starting job and being on the all-frosh team.

[UtahsMrSports]

Brendan wenzell, a 6'6 wing is on a visit. Recently let out of his loi with utep. Texas and I state also pushing.

[UtahsMrSports]

Rayquan Evans is off the board. Committed to FSU. Tajzmel Sherman is likely headed to WVU, if you put stock in the 247 crystal ball.

[DrumNFeather]

Full list of transfers (so far): https://verbalcommits.com/transfers/2019

631 names on that list.

[Old Standing ute]

Article on Wenzel said he only had 1 visit left--so maybe that is a good sign he came here (unless it is an unofficial); Sherman was scheduled to be at UWV this past weekend.

[UBlender]

Sounds like Sherman is most likely headed to Morgantown. He'll announce his decision on Wednesday afternoon.

Wenzel might be a nice piece as a shooter but I'm not sure he's a high impact guy as a freshman. Utah desperately needs someone who can make an impact next year at both the SG and PG positions.

Utah is currently scheduled to have seven freshmen next year and could end up with as many as nine depending on how the next few weeks play out, which is a recipe for another disappointing season and a bunch more transfers in the next year or two.

Utah's path to improvement and pushing for an NCAA bid in 2020 was: 1) keep the core, 2) get a solid JC or grad transfer SG (Sherman was the target) and 3) get a good grad transfer PG. If they can convince Jayce to stay it is still possible to hit those three objectives, but I am not very optimistic on any of them. It's very possible that we go 0/3 on those points.

[UTEopia]

Wenzel is the caliber of player you sign to fill a roster spot after you have lost out on your first 3 or 4 options. The kid has the skill to shoot in high school, but pretty much on a tryout. He replaces Pop, who was the same.

[Mormon Red Death]

So why in the hell arent we going after toolson? shoots 46% from the 3 and was wac POY. We need shooting. How is Wenzel any better than toolson?

[UtahsMrSports]

So why in the hell arent we going after toolson? shoots 46% from the 3 and was wac POY. We need shooting. How is Wenzel any better than toolson?

Probably can't offer him the guaranteed playing time hes seeking

[UtahsMrSports]

To be fair, I would prefer that the final 2 scholarships go to 1) Jayce Johnson and 2) a grad transfer point or combo guard who can hold down the fort for a year while Rylan gets used to D1 ball. I see Toolson as strictly a 2 guard (who cant defend much).

[UtahsMrSports]

Finally, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenzel has an "offer" and not an "Offer". Time will tell.

(Sorry for the excessive posts. The edit post button just automatically deletes my post while Im in Chrome.)

[Scorcho]

So why in the hell arent we going after toolson? shoots 46% from the 3 and was wac POY. We need shooting. How is Wenzel any better than toolson?

do we even know if a "Toolson" would be open to going to Utah? I assume with that surname, he's a Utah County kid, with some BYU family history and might not be open to joining the dark side?

[concerned]

do we even know if a "Toolson" would be open to going to Utah? I assume with that surname, he's a Utah County kid, with some BYU family history and might not be open to joining the dark side?

He left the Y for UVU. Word is he hates the Y and would never go back.

[UTEopia]

He left the Y for UVU. Word is he hates the Y and would never go back.

Yes, but now his coaches at UVU would be his coaches at BYU.

[concerned]

Yes, but now his coaches at UVU would be his coaches at BYU.

I get that but he is not going back apparently

[SeattleUte]

Probably can't offer him the guaranteed playing time hes seeking

Guarantee? Really? That's what has been discussed? The fact that our coaches engage in a discussion like that with a player is pretty awful. The fact they can't finesse that kind of a question from a young man they really need so that they get him is pathetic. This player was honorable mention All-American and we won't recruit him because of perceived expectations about playing time? The whole scene makes me want to vomit. Our coaches are weak. They're losers.

It's also an established fact that our coaches have terrible judgment in these situations.

[sancho]

Didn't Kennth Ogbe tear it up for UVU as well? Toolson may be great, but I don't want to read too much into stats out of Orem.

Plus, all season long, we've complained about the superior athleticism of our Pac-12 opponents. Toolson does nothing to help us there, right? Maybe Larry is too greedy and wants a SG with shooting and athleticism. Maybe he'll end up with neither.

[SeattleUte]

Didn't Kennth Ogbe tear it up for UVU as well? Toolson may be great, but I don't want to read too much into stats out of Orem.

Plus, all season long, we've complained about the superior athleticism of our Pac-12 opponents. Toolson does nothing to help us there, right? Maybe Larry is too greedy and wants a SG with shooting and athleticism. Maybe he'll end up with neither.

Do we have choices?

[sancho]

Do we have choices?

I don't know. That's why I said we may end up with nothing. It looks more and more like Larry's future with us depends on one of the following things happening:

1. Rylan Jones is a stud from the start.
2. Both Gach makes a sophomore leap for the ages.
3. A transfer guard comes to save the day.

[UtahsMrSports]

Guarantee? Really? That's what has been discussed? The fact that our coaches engage in a discussion like that with a player is pretty awful. The fact they can't finesse that kind of a question from a young man they really need so that they get him is pathetic. This player was honorable mention All-American and we won't recruit him because of perceived expectations about playing time? The whole scene makes me want to vomit. Our coaches are weak. They're losers.

It's also an established fact that our coaches have terrible judgment in these situations.

It is simply glorious to me how far you are taking this fairy tale that I somehow work for the staff. It's kind of fun to watch someone fall off the wagon in real time.

[SeattleUte]

It is simply glorious to me how far you are taking this fairy tale that I somehow work for the staff. It's kind of fun to watch someone fall off the wagon in real time.

Whatever your connection to the team, you disclosed that they’re negotiating playing time guarantees with recruits.

[UtahsMrSports]

Whatever your connection to the team, you disclosed that they’re negotiating playing time guarantees with recruits.

They're also in discussions with the mon-stars. And Jimmy chitwood. And John dehlin.

[UtahsMrSports]

On a serious note, adding Daniels should be a big help even if he can't recruit directly.

[LA Ute]

It is simply glorious to me how far you are taking this fairy tale that I somehow work for the staff. It's kind of fun to watch someone fall off the wagon in real time.

He likes to make up defamatory innuendo.

[SeattleUte]

They're also in discussions with the mon-stars. And Jimmy chitwood. And John dehlin.

That’s really disappointing.

[chrisrenrut]

That’s really disappointing.

Yeah, if he lands Chitwood, the townspeople won’t be able to get him fired.

[UtahsMrSports]

He likes to make up defamatory innuendo.

Seattle has a bad case of LDS..........Larry Derangement Syndrome (Ill show myself out).

[Rocker Ute]

Seattle has a bad case of LDS..........Larry Derangement Syndrome (Ill show myself out).

Seattle is the most LDS person I know.


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[Old Standing ute]

Taz Sherman to WVU.

[UtahsMrSports]

Taz Sherman to WVU.

I started seeing a couple of CB predictions of him to WVU and then the twitter folks weren't hyping his announcement at all, so i figured he wasn't coming here. Bummer. Would have been a nice get.

[DrumNFeather]

Brendan wenzell, a 6'6 wing is on a visit. Recently let out of his loi with utep. Texas and I state also pushing.

Wenzell commits to the U.

[sancho]

Wenzell commits to the U.

Boom! Hopefully, we're done.

Backcourt: Jones and Gach starting. Wenzell, Brenchley, Gaskin fight for 1-2 spots off the bench.

Frontcourt: Jayce (fingers crossed), Allen, and Tillman starting. The Finn, Lahat, Riley, Carlson, Van Komen fight for 2-3 spots off the bench.

This is the team that saves Larry's job by winning 25 games and earning a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament.

[SeattleUte]

http://ballislife.com/unranked-player-destroys-adidas-sponsored-team/

[sancho]

http://ballislife.com/unranked-player-destroys-adidas-sponsored-team/

Looks like a low release on the jumper. Dude needs to go all in on the mohawk.

[LA Ute]

Looks like a low release on the jumper. Dude needs to go all in on the mohawk.

Yeah, he is a shooter for sure, but he is not going to get that kind of open look frequently in college.


https://youtu.be/6XyoCU6OhNs

[UtahsMrSports]

I have to confess that I thought he had an "offer" and not an "Offer" but I am happy to have him on board. Now it gets interesting. One spot left. I see the scenarios as follows, in no particular order:

A)Jayce comes back and we call it good. That leaves us with 8 freshmen and 5 guys who averaged 20+ minutes per game last year.
B)Jayce bolts but we get a commitment from the Hazzard kid (or an equivalent grad transfer/juco guard).
C) Jayce comes back and the Hazzard kid/other player commits. A freshman guard is likely jettisoned at this point.
D) Multiple players pull a Brekkott Chapman and decide to bolt in late May and no one good is available to take their place and we are forced to fill out the roster with people who don't belong in D1 and we see mass transfers again next year. We lose every single game next year and Larry is not only fired but angry arsonists burn down his home in protest.

[concerned]

I have to confess that I thought he had an "offer" and not an "Offer" but I am happy to have him on board. Now it gets interesting. One spot left. I see the scenarios as follows, in no particular order:

A)Jayce comes back and we call it good. That leaves us with 8 freshmen and 5 guys who averaged 20+ minutes per game last year.
B)Jayce bolts but we get a commitment from the Hazzard kid (or an equivalent grad transfer/juco guard).
C) Jayce comes back and the Hazzard kid/other player commits. A freshman guard is likely jettisoned at this point.
D) Multiple players pull a Brekkott Chapman and decide to bolt in late May and no one good is available to take their place and we are forced to fill out the roster with people who don't belong in D1 and we see mass transfers again next year. We lose every single game next year and Larry is not only fired but angry arsonists burn down his home in protest.

This roster is so unbalanced with frosh that I do not see how it works. A bunch of these players will never get any playing time and will leave sooner or later. We will have to weed them out to have slots for the younger classes. Giving Wenzel a scholie at this point is odd to me. He looks raw and you assume would redshirt. We dont really need those guys next year.

btw, are you utebuntu on twitter?

[sancho]

This roster is so unbalanced with frosh that I do not see how it works. A bunch of these players will never get any playing time and will leave sooner or later. We will have to weed them out to have slots for the younger classes. Giving Wenzel a scholie at this point is odd to me. He looks raw and you assume would redshirt. We dont really need those guys next year.

btw, are you utebuntu on twitter?

I think you already asked him if he was Utebuntu, and he's not. Am I making that up?

Anyway, I agree with you. Too many freshmen, though Gaskin and Thione aren't pure frosh. In general, though, teams have 13 scholarships, but few teams have more than an 8 man rotation. This is why all teams are experiencing transfer issues. As it gets easier to transfer, there will only be more.

Giving Wenzel a scholarship makes sense if there are no other fish on the line. We know we lost our main target. At that point, go ahead and give the scholarship to anyone with potential.

[Scratch]

I think you already asked him if he was Utebuntu, and he's not. Am I making that up?

Anyway, I agree with you. Too many freshmen, though Gaskin and Thione aren't pure frosh. In general, though, teams have 13 scholarships, but few teams have more than an 8 man rotation. This is why all teams are experiencing transfer issues. As it gets easier to transfer, there will only be more.

Giving Wenzel a scholarship makes sense if there are no other fish on the line. We know we lost our main target. At that point, go ahead and give the scholarship to anyone with potential.

Yep, I agree. We know he's a very good shooter and he has very good length for a shooting guard. We might as well bring him in to see if he's athletic enough (and coachable enough) to get minutes on a P5 team. I think there's a good chance that the answer to that question is "no," but he at least has some intriguing considerations.

[Rocker Ute]

Speaking to a friend I trust who has a pretty good take on Utah basketball has watched the Finnish kid Mikael Jantunen play fairly recently and claims he is the real deal and expect he will be an immediate contributor. He was pretty excited about him, and he is in no way a homer in that regard (FWIW, he was the guy to temper my expectations for this last year - he believed it was possible we may not have had a winning record).

Anyway, I thought that was worth reporting.

[UtahsMrSports]

This roster is so unbalanced with frosh that I do not see how it works. A bunch of these players will never get any playing time and will leave sooner or later. We will have to weed them out to have slots for the younger classes. Giving Wenzel a scholie at this point is odd to me. He looks raw and you assume would redshirt. We dont really need those guys next year.

btw, are you utebuntu on twitter?

Ben_In_Utah

[Rocker Ute]

Ben_In_Utah

Huh, I was pretty sure you were Larry Krystkowiak.

[DrumNFeather]

Huh, I was pretty sure you were Larry Krystkowiak.

His IP address shows as the Utah basketball facility. He's a paid shill...no doubt about it.

[concerned]

I think you already asked him if he was Utebuntu, and he's not. Am I making that up?



You are not making it up. Last time I asked him if he was Ben in Utah and he said yes. I have creeping dementia. Maybe it is a nom de plume for LK.

[SeattleUte]

His IP address shows as the Utah basketball facility. He's a paid shill...no doubt about it.

He's definitely a shill. Not sure if he's LK or the team manager or what.

[LA Ute]

Just a heads-up. We're going to delete any name-calling from this point on.

[DrumNFeather]

Just a heads-up. We're going to delete any name-calling from this point on.

What if I un-delete it?

[hostile]

Just a heads-up. We're going to delete any name-calling from this point on.
Fascist!

[LA Ute]

Fascist!

Except when someone calls me a name.

[U-Ute]

Looks like a low release on the jumper. Dude needs to go all in on the mohawk.

At 6'6" he doesn't need a particularly high release. It's pretty quick too.

[SeattleUte]

Just a heads-up. We're going to delete any name-calling from this point on.

Can we also have a rule against shills coming here and disseminating agitprop?

[LA Ute]

Can we also have a rule against shills coming here and disseminating agitprop?

If we did that we'd have to delete all trolling posts. You wouldn't like that.

[Irving Washington]

Can we also have a rule against shills coming here and disseminating agitprop?
Don't you have an investigator in your office who can track down UtahsMrSport's identity? We're all dying to know. I'll chip in part of the cost.

[chrisrenrut]

Don't you have an investigator in your office who can track down UtahsMrSport's identity? We're all dying to know. I'll chip in part of the cost.

Concerned is pretty sure that he is Ubuntu on Twitter. So you can start there.

[concerned]

Concerned is pretty sure that he is Ubuntu on Twitter. So you can start there.


No. I have alzheimers. He is Ben in Utah (whom I follow). BTW, if we didn't have insiders post, we would never learn anything. Quit attacking them as shills and appreciate the viewpoint/info. Be very glad they are here.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

He left the Y for UVU. Word is he hates the Y and would never go back.

So much for the “word.” Toolson headed back to Provo.


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[concerned]

So much for the “word.” Toolson headed back to Provo.


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Yep. Word also is that he hates Jackson Emery and maybe this means Emery won't be back next year

[UtahsMrSports]

Yep. Word also is that he hates Jackson Emery and maybe this means Emery won't be back next year

Imagine 5-6 years ago, thinking that BYU would need a grad transfer from UVU to help them because Emery had been such a bust. Greg "More than a couple sweet 16's!" Wrubell would have lost his mind.

[LA Ute]

I guess I feel less bad about Jayce and Donnie testing early-entry. Looks like everyone has players doing that. From Jon Wilner:



The early-entry list (final and official)

We figured there would be at least one surprise when the NBA released the official list of players who have applied for early-eligibility in the upcoming draft. Instead, we got two surprises ... or perhaps three, depending on your view.

On Tuesday afternoon, two days after the deadline, UCLA announced that center Moses Brown had made himself available for the draft and, according to the L.A. Times, is not expected to return to school.

Then came the reveal of the official list of early-entry candidates, sent from the NBA to its franchises. It included two names that had not been previously reported as draft candidates: Utah big men Jayce Johnson, who had been expected to transfer, and Donnie Tillman.

As with all early-entry candidates, including those that have hired agents, Johnson and Tillman have until May 29 to withdraw.

The Utah duo brings to 17 the total of Pac-12 early-entry declarations. Only two teams, Cal and Colorado, were unscathed, although the Bears' roster has been gutted by transfers.

Arizona

G Brandon Randolph

Arizona State

G Luguentz Dort

Oregon

G Payton Pritchard
F Louis King
F Kenny Wooten
C Bol Bol

Oregon State

G Ethan Thompson
F Tres Tinkle
Stanford

F KZ Okpala
UCLA

G Jaylen Hands
F Kris Wilkes
C Moses Brown

USC

G Kevin Porter

Utah

F Donnie Tillman
C Jayce Johnson

Washington

G Jaylen Nowell

Washington State
F CJ Elleby

The next five weeks will shape the Pac-12 outlook for next season. -- Jon Wilner.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Yep. Word also is that he hates Jackson Emery and maybe this means Emery won't be back next year

I'm guessing you mean Nick Emery here. I can see why someone who had played with him would feel that way. But that was the unrepentant, on scholarship, pre suspension Nick. I'm sure the new guy goes down nice and smooth.

[concerned]

I'm guessing you mean Nick Emery here. I can see why someone who had played with him would feel that way. But that was the unrepentant, on scholarship, pre suspension Nick. I'm sure the new guy goes down nice and smooth.

yeah, the younger one. socksgate.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Isn't Nick Emery well into his 30s by now?

[SoCalPat]

Speaking to a friend I trust who has a pretty good take on Utah basketball has watched the Finnish kid Mikael Jantunen play fairly recently and claims he is the real deal and expect he will be an immediate contributor. He was pretty excited about him, and he is in no way a homer in that regard (FWIW, he was the guy to temper my expectations for this last year - he believed it was possible we may not have had a winning record).

Anyway, I thought that was worth reporting.

I’m also bullish on the Finn, as well as MVK. Don’t you all remember David Foster as a frosh? That was a horrible defensive team (Giac’s last year, IIRC) and all he did was set the school record for blocked shots in a single season. If those two can exceed expectations slightly, we could get past losing the Headband.

[UTEopia]

Although I like Jayce and believe that a healthy Jayce would make the Utes a better team, the thing that concerns me most about him leaving is that it continues a pattern that cannot persist if Utah basketball is going to become an actual program as opposed to a series of remodels with no real infrastructure.

[LA Ute]

Although I like Jayce and believe that a healthy Jayce would make the Utes a better team, the thing that concerns me most about him leaving is that it continues a pattern that cannot persist if Utah basketball is going to become an actual program as opposed to a series of remodels with no real infrastructure.

Well said.

[UtahsMrSports]

Although I like Jayce and believe that a healthy Jayce would make the Utes a better team, the thing that concerns me most about him leaving is that it continues a pattern that cannot persist if Utah basketball is going to become an actual program as opposed to a series of remodels with no real infrastructure.

Not counting Larry's first year, I found 47 unique players that have received a scholarship, not counting any class of 2019 players. Of those, I found that 28 have graduated (16), are currently on the roster (6), left early for the NBA draft (2) or retired (4). The remaining 19 transferred. Its not available data, but it would be fascinating to see of those 20, how many were flat out roster cuts for talent or disciplinary reasons versus how many could have stayed but left to pursue other opportunities. Looking at the list, I have 6 guys I consider roster cuts, 4 discipline issues, and 9 guys looking for a better opportunity. (Strictly my opinion, as such, I aint naming names.).

So let me bring this back around to the point here. According to the trib, Jayce is leaving because of Larry's coaching style (can see that, he is certainly not for everyone) and that he wants a larger role on offense. This second reason is fairly absurd. So I would ask anyone who takes the player's side here: What was Larry supposed to do? IMO, Jayce was being used perfectly last year. A really good position defender who rebounded like crazy and shot a high percentage when he could be set up or grab an offensive board. Absolutely unplayable in end of game situations due to free throw shooting. So again, what do you want Larry to do in that situation? BTW, though its a minority of cases, Jayce is (from my understanding) not the first person to bring a fairly absurd request to Larry thanks to someone advising the player. ( to be fair, we don't know if this was an ultimatum for a bigger role, or if twas a suggestion, though I think its pretty easy to read between the lines).

Nobody is going to argue that roster turnover is a good thing, or even that its "no big deal". Nationwide it seems to grow every year and we are, under Larry, on the higher end of the distribution. I think the bigger criticism here is recruiting. We got very little from our 2015 and 2016 classes. That has killed us and forced somewhat of a vicious cycle of guys transferring, replacements aren't good enough because its too late in the process and then they are sent packing, etc. 2017 was a bit better with Tillman and so far so good for 2018. I expect 2019 to be perhaps even a bit better.

Finally, I just don't see anyone who left who would have significantly raised the level of our program had they stayed and I expect Jayce will add to that list. Ill allow the possibility of Daniels, but thats another story for another day. Again, its all about recruiting and we missed a lot in critical years.

[Utebiquitous]

I completely agree with your thoughts on Jayce leaving. Where I disagree is saying that his leaving doesn't significantly impact the level of our program. Over the next few years that's a fair statement but he just has one year left and his leaving hurts us significantly. Jayce has the opportunity to be a 10/10 player next season and a terrific post defender. His presence in the paint will be missed. Now, if he doesn't buy in to being a consummate role player then we're better off; but just on the surface this is a tough loss. I don't blame anyone on the coaching staff for it. Jayce is either getting horrible advice or he has a very unrealistic opinion of himself.

I do hope the coaching staff has said something like this to Jayce: "You want more touches? Then let's get in the gym and help you continue improving your free throw shot, help you get comfortable from the free throw line extended and get you two go to post moves."

Based on my knowledge of this staff, those kinds of conversations aren't happening because the staff does not have strong player relationships nor are they invested enough in player development. I know, here I go again on player development.

Anyway, I wish Jayce had the character and leadership to see how embracing his role from last year as a senior while working his fanny off to improve a few offensive areas could be the piece that gets this team back to the tournament.

[sancho]

I do hope the coaching staff has said something like this to Jayce: "You want more touches? Then let's get in the gym and help you continue improving your free throw shot, help you get comfortable from the free throw line extended and get you two go to post moves."

Based on my knowledge of this staff, those kinds of conversations aren't happening because the staff does not have strong player relationships nor are they invested enough in player development. I know, here I go again on player development.


I agree with your post, but these two paragraphs are a bit hard to swallow. You are painting a picture of a lazy staff that just shows up on game day and says "Go get 'em!" Even though you are the insider, and I am a nobody, I just don't believe that our staff has never worked with Jayce on his game. In fact, the evidence points to the opposite. Almost every player that has come through this staff has improved immensely during their college career. Kuzma, Loverdige, Barefield, Rawson, etc. Maybe not Poeltl and Wright. They were both so good when they arrived that I can't say I noticed huge leaps forward from them.

[Utebiquitous]

Sancho,
Our staff doesn't just show up on game day. They work pretty hard. I think they are good at game prep and I actually think Larry is a good coach and a good man. I just don't think they're working player development near enough. I also think this is a player issue. Jayce's issues reside more with Jayce than anyone else. I've also witnessed Chris Jones working with Jayce quite a bit a few years ago. I do know that it's tailed off. I don't know who's more responsible. I'm not that close to the program anymore.

My viewpoint on player development is easily criticized. I would argue it needs to work its way into practices more - besides a culture that expects players to work a few hours a day outside of practice. Neither of those things happen a lot at Utah right now. The former is tough because a coach only has so many hours and so much to get done from a team perspective. The latter is a big deal. I don't know that it's been a part of the culture since Majerus. Judkins and Daniels were a big part of that culture primarily because of their willingness to work with players outside of practice. That's probably my biggest problem with our staff. I would never label them as lazy - they are far from it. I just want them to be a part of the solution that gets players working harder. I'm hearing that we have a few players that are very committed to getting better and Rylan Jones will help this a lot as well. He is a gym rat who works and works and works.

Enough of my pontificating.

[UtahsMrSports]

Juco guard alfonso plummer is in town this weekend. 6'1, 175. Hit about 45% from downtown on a high volume (had around 500 attempts in his two years at juco.)

Less than one assist per game. Has also visited Texas State and Portland State.

[SeattleUte]

Juco guard alfonso plummer is in town this weekend. 6'1, 175. Hit about 45% from downtown on a high volume (had around 500 attempts in his two years at juco.)

Less than one assist per game. Has also visited Texas State and Portland State.

Yikes

[Applejack]

Yikes

I second that.

[UtahsMrSports]

Juco guard alfonso plummer is in town this weekend. 6'1, 175. Hit about 45% from downtown on a high volume (had around 500 attempts in his two years at juco.)

Less than one assist per game. Has also visited Texas State and Portland State.

Per Twitter, he will announce tomorrow. I'm unsure of whether he has an "offer" or an "Offer", but I suppose time we'll tell.

[sancho]

I second that.

We got spoiled with a few late season additions that were successful. I'd guess that 90% of late season additions in college basketball end up doing nothing. They are just roster filler. I guess grad transfers are a different story, but it's primarily power programs that are going to benefit from that type of free agency.

At this point, our team is pretty much set. If we bring in someone else, it likely won't be a difference maker. Larry's hopes (our hopes) are now squarely on either Rylan Jones being ready or on Both Gach making a sophomore leap.

That said, the kid hit 45% from outside. He can at least shoot. Nothing "yikes" about that.

[Applejack]

Has also visited Texas State and Portland State.

I don't know him from lebron, but people that do (coaches) are saying that he ain't all that.

[sancho]

I don't know him from lebron, but people that do (coaches) are saying that he ain't all that.

But can he be the 13th guy on the team, scrimmage hard during practice, maintain a good attitude without getting playing time, and get good grades? Those things would make him a decent use of our last scholarship. Anything more than that is a bonus.

[UtahsMrSports]

I'm not convinced he has a commitable offer. But we shall see.

[UTEopia]

But can he be the 13th guy on the team, scrimmage hard during practice, maintain a good attitude without getting playing time, and get good grades? Those things would make him a decent use of our last scholarship. Anything more than that is a bonus.

A little early to commit the final scholie to this guy.

[sancho]

A little early to commit the final scholie to this guy.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't say anything about him being our guy. I just said that, at this point, our expectations should be pretty low. We tried for some players who looked like great fits, and we missed. I don't think we're going to end up with anyone who will actually see the floor.

[UTEopia]

Don't get me wrong. I didn't say anything about him being our guy. I just said that, at this point, our expectations should be pretty low. We tried for some players who looked like great fits, and we missed. I don't think we're going to end up with anyone who will actually see the floor.

My expectations for this last scholie could not be lower. I would rather see it go to a walk-on for a year then a grad transfer who is not going to be a contributor.

Vante Hendrix and the Mitchell kid who ultimately signed with SDSU became available later in the summer and I would rather wait to see if someone like that becomes available. If not, give it to a walk-on.

[sancho]

Vante Hendrix and the Mitchell kid who ultimately signed with SDSU became available later in the summer and I would rather wait to see if someone like that becomes available. If not, give it to a walk-on.

That sounds like a reasonable plan, unless they think there's really something to like about this JUCO kid.

[UBlender]

My expectations for this last scholie could not be lower. I would rather see it go to a walk-on for a year then a grad transfer who is not going to be a contributor.

Vante Hendrix and the Mitchell kid who ultimately signed with SDSU became available later in the summer and I would rather wait to see if someone like that becomes available. If not, give it to a walk-on.

Agree. I hate to be that guy, but when we're talking about taking a kid whose other offers are Portland State and Texas State I feel like we're just getting a jump on identifying who is going to be one of the transfers after next season. Maybe this kid beats the odds a la Justin Bibbins but there's not much to base that on other than wishful thinking.

[sancho]

I hate to be that guy

Well, we're all that guy, then, since we all seem to be sharing the same thoughts here.

[UtahsMrSports]

and..........hes a ute!

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

and..........hes a ute!

1125453222175313920

[LA Ute]

1125453222175313920

I’m going to say “meh,” and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

[Applejack]

I'm not convinced he has a commitable offer.

You're two for two with this prediction lately. ;)

[UtahsMrSports]

You're two for two with this prediction lately. ;)

Ha! What was my other gem?

[Applejack]

Finally, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenzel has an "offer" and not an "Offer". Time will tell.

(Sorry for the excessive posts. The edit post button just automatically deletes my post while Im in Chrome.)

2/2

[sancho]

We're done!

Your 2019-20 Runnin' Utes:

Guard: Jones, Gach, Brenchley, Gaskin, Plummer, Wenzel

Forward: Allen, Tillman, Jantunen, Carlson, Battin

Center: Thione, Van Komen

Starting 5: Jones, Gach, Allen, Tillman, Thione

Off the bench: 1-2 of the 4 guards, whoever can do something well (shoot, defend, ...), 1-2 of the forwards (Battin could lose minutes this year), and Van Komen. We usually end up with a 7-8 man rotation.

[Applejack]

We're done!

Your 2019-20 Runnin' Utes:

Guard: Jones, Gach, Brenchley, Gaskin, Plummer, Wenzel

Forward: Allen, Tillman, Jantunen, Carlson, Battin

Center: Thione, Van Komen

Starting 5: Jones, Gach, Allen, Tillman, Thione

Off the bench: 1-2 of the 4 guards, whoever can do something well (shoot, defend, ...), 1-2 of the forwards (Battin could lose minutes this year), and Van Komen. We usually end up with a 7-8 man rotation.

If we have a rotation of 7-8, I'd be surprised if Van Komen is ready for the top8. He looks like a bit of a project.

[sancho]

If we have a rotation of 7-8, I'd be surprised if Van Komen is ready for the top8. He looks like a bit of a project.

Makes sense, especially since the forward spot seems to be relatively loaded. If Jantunen or Carlson can play, they may be big enough to give back up minutes defending a 5.

[Rocker Ute]

You're two for two with this prediction lately. ;)

This is probably just Krystkowiak trying to cover his tracks. DON'T BE FOOLED AJ!


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[UtahsMrSports]

This is probably just Krystkowiak trying to cover his tracks. DON'T BE FOOLED AJ!


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Cover is blown. Man, i gotta get more creative. If Larry discovers that you guys are on to me this easily, Im going to have to cancel that pool being put in my backyard.

[UtahsMrSports]

My way too early prediction on rotation

Starting 5
Rylan
Both
Donnie
Timmy
Lahat

Next 5
Gaskin
Plummer
Jantunen
Battin
Carlson

Last 3/Redshirt candidates
Brenchley
Wenzel
Van Komen

[U-Ute]

I don't know him from lebron

I think I could tell the difference.

[SoCalPat]

We got spoiled with a few late season additions that were successful. I'd guess that 90% of late season additions in college basketball end up doing nothing. They are just roster filler. I guess grad transfers are a different story, but it's primarily power programs that are going to benefit from that type of free agency.

At this point, our team is pretty much set. If we bring in someone else, it likely won't be a difference maker. Larry's hopes (our hopes) are now squarely on either Rylan Jones being ready or on Both Gach making a sophomore leap.

That said, the kid hit 45% from outside. He can at least shoot. Nothing "yikes" about that.

Yeah, there has to be a major, major flaw in his game or his body that kept bigger name programs away. Because guys that shoot mid-40s from 3 are rotation guys anywhere.

[SoCalPat]

My way too early prediction on rotation

Starting 5
Rylan
Both
Donnie
Timmy
Lahat

Next 5
Gaskin
Plummer
Jantunen
Battin
Carlson

Last 3/Redshirt candidates
Brenchley
Wenzel
Van Komen

That starting 5 doesn't inspire me from a rebounding perspective. We thought Loveridge was playing out of position at the 4 -- wait until this staff sees it's never getting more than 6 RPG from its starting power forward.

[sancho]

That starting 5 doesn't inspire me from a rebounding perspective. We thought Loveridge was playing out of position at the 4 -- wait until this staff sees it's never getting more than 6 RPG from its starting power forward.

Rebounding does look like a concern, but the backcourt is so iffy that every other concern pales by comparison. Tillman is a good rebounder. Maybe Thione will be as well.

[UtahsMrSports]

Yeah, there has to be a major, major flaw in his game or his body that kept bigger name programs away. Because guys that shoot mid-40s from 3 are rotation guys anywhere.

I think it is probably that he is 6', 6'1 and averaged less than one assist per game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYAntFIC-IU&t=6162s

If you watch this game, he is essentially playing the 3. He floats at times on both ends. But man when he gets going, watch out.


That starting 5 doesn't inspire me from a rebounding perspective. We thought Loveridge was playing out of position at the 4 -- wait until this staff sees it's never getting more than 6 RPG from its starting power forward.

Hopefully Lahat can help out there. Also, I think Jantunen will be the first 3/4 off the bench and he has been a very good rebounder. Hopefully it translates.

[SeattleUte]

That starting 5 doesn't inspire me from a rebounding perspective. We thought Loveridge was playing out of position at the 4 -- wait until this staff sees it's never getting more than 6 RPG from its starting power forward.

I think maybe for that reason Battin belongs in the starting 5. He has potential.

[Mormon Red Death]

I think maybe for that reason Battin belongs in the starting 5. He has potential.

I think a starting five of

The Hat - 5
Makul - 4
Tillman - 3
Timmy Buckets - 2
Gachscratchfever -1

Jones, Battin & Carlson

[SoCalPat]

I think maybe for that reason Battin belongs in the starting 5. He has potential.

Doesn't have the elevator you need to play the 5 -- too slow. Would never disrupt a shot inside.

[SoCalPat]

I think a starting five of

The Hat - 5
Makul - 4
Tillman - 3
Timmy Buckets - 2
Gachscratchfever -1

Jones, Battin & Carlson

Gach at the point is a horrible idea, unless he's found a way to take care of the ball better.

[Mormon Red Death]

Doesn't have the elevator you need to play the 5 -- too slow. Would never disrupt a shot inside.

We tried it a couple times this year. He got killed trying to defend the big men.

[SoCalPat]

I think it is probably that he is 6', 6'1 and averaged less than one assist per game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYAntFIC-IU&t=6162s

If you watch this game, he is essentially playing the 3. He floats at times on both ends. But man when he gets going, watch out.



Hopefully Lahat can help out there. Also, I think Jantunen will be the first 3/4 off the bench and he has been a very good rebounder. Hopefully it translates.

If we're gonna field a defense that again ranks in the 280s in efficiency, we might as well play him, right?

[UtahsMrSports]

Doesn't have the elevator you need to play the 5 -- too slow. Would never disrupt a shot inside.

Additionally, his rebounding numbers on a per minute basis were about equal to Tillman and Allen anyway.

[UtahsMrSports]

If we're gonna field a defense that again ranks in the 280s in efficiency, we might as well play him, right?

I think having Rylan and Both in the backcourt, plus Donnie T's late season discovery as a stopper will help us move up. If Lahat/Carlsen can be deterrents at the rim, it will help us even more.

[concerned]

I think having Rylan and Both in the backcourt, plus Donnie T's late season discovery as a stopper will help us move up. If Lahat/Carlsen can be deterrents at the rim, it will help us even more.

are we going to be quick/long enough to switch and play man, or are we going to be stuck playing non-rebounding, porous zone?

[Mormon Red Death]

New recruit?
https://twitter.com/Brandonhaddock7/status/1132723161752059904?s=19

[UtahsMrSports]

New recruit?
https://twitter.com/Brandonhaddock7/status/1132723161752059904?s=19

Hes a walk on.

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