2017 PAC12 Tournament

[chrisrenrut]

Any of our Vegas or southern Utah fans interested in free tickets to Wednesday's games? We bought the tournament package, but I can't make it down until Thursday.

Utes play at 2:30 PT on Thursday against the winner of Cal/OSU. We plan on attending all the Thursday, Friday, and Saturday games.

[jrj84105]

I made a PAC12 and NCAA tournament bracket challenge if anyone's interested. A google registered email is required (doesn't have to be gmail). Just post or BM me your email if you want to play.

PAC Master Bracket (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wryc4z5BT7bUHGzE_dyoHO_XSm_k6POAwJov7FDig-U/pubhtml)


NCAA Master Bracket (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rWm8DokxN9FEg7tbBcxfNTsOVgOm3FtCPLQLFwp2p8c/pubhtml)

[The Thrill]

Here are my predicted lines and scores.

Stanford -3 Arizona State - (78-75)
California -15.5 Oregon State - (74-59)
USC -8 Washington - (81-73)
Colorado -9 Washington State - (78-69)

Oregon -12.5 Stanford - (77-65)
Utah -1 California - (70-69)
UCLA -9 USC - (84-75)
Arizona -8 Colorado - (76-68)

Oregon -7 Utah - (76-69)
UCLA -2.5 Arizona - (78-75)

UCLA -1 Oregon (79-78)

[jrj84105]

Here are my predicted lines and scores.

Stanford -3 Arizona State - (78-75)
California -15.5 Oregon State - (74-59)
USC -8 Washington - (81-73)
Colorado -9 Washington State - (78-69)

Oregon -12.5 Stanford - (77-65)
Utah -1 California - (70-69)
UCLA -9 USC - (84-75)
Arizona -8 Colorado - (76-68)

Oregon -7 Utah - (76-69)
UCLA -2.5 Arizona - (78-75)

UCLA -1 Oregon (79-78)

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[sancho]

Bulletin board for the Utes in Vegas:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/06/college-hotline-pac-12-basketball-weekend-rewind-4-22-edition/

[DrumNFeather]

Bulletin board for the Utes in Vegas:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/06/college-hotline-pac-12-basketball-weekend-rewind-4-22-edition/

If Cal wanted to prevent that from happening, they shouldn't have gotten their doors blown off by us by 30. Same thing for USC.

[DrumNFeather]

Speaking of the Trojans...

Of all the first-round match-ups that have upset potential, I think it is Washington vs. USC. If Romar could actually figure out a way to tap into all that talent he has, I think they could knock off USC.

[concerned]

on the radio this morning, they were saying that Cal's losses over the weekend likely end a Utah-BYU NIT matchup. Cal is out of the tourney, and both Utah and Cal will be 2 seeds in the NIT, with the Y a 3 seed. Utah will be sent out of region as the lower 2, so Cal will play the Y. Only way we will is in Madison Sq. Garden, if the Y beats Cal. (and we get that far).

[sancho]

Of all the first-round match-ups that have upset potential, I think it is Washington vs. USC. If Romar could actually figure out a way to tap into all that talent he has, I think they could knock off USC.

I can't remember a less interesting first round than what we have on Wednesday. Good thing there are other conferences playing that day.

[sancho]

UCLA, Oregon, and Arizona 42-2 vs the rest of the conference. That's just nuts.

[DrumNFeather]

I can't remember a less interesting first round than what we have on Wednesday. Good thing there are other conferences playing that day.

If Oregon St. beat Cal, I'd find that pretty interesting. :)

But I agree, the league is so top-heavy this year, it's hard to see anyone taking out the top 3.

[Scorcho]

I'm off the opinion that teams that play on Wednesday have a slight advantage going into Thursday. Those teams will have become accustomed to the lights, depth and surroundings at T-Mobile and will have a little momentum. If Cal makes quick work of the Beavers and Rabb and others don't have to play too many minutes, I think that gives them a slight advantage over Utah.

I still believe Utah will win, but it probably will be another game similar to the one we watched in Berkley vs. SLC.

Fortunately, Cal isn't very deep. Hopefully Oregon State will give them a game.

[sancho]

Another from Wilner - his all-conference teams:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/06/college-hotline-pac-12-all-conference-picks-and-postseason-award-winners/

Of course, the real all-conference team is 10 players. So who makes 1st team? Ball, Brooks, Fultz, and Markannen are locks. After that, there are 6 spots left for about 10 players.

[UtahsMrSports]

Another from Wilner - his all-conference teams:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/06/college-hotline-pac-12-all-conference-picks-and-postseason-award-winners/

Of course, the real all-conference team is 10 players. So who makes 1st team? Ball, Brooks, Fultz, and Markannen are locks. After that, there are 6 spots left for about 10 players.

Kuzma
is a lock for 'first' team with his 16 points, 9 boards and 39% from downtown in conference play. Collette, Zo, and Dev (if they forgive/overlook the three game suspension) have perhaps done enough to be considered for honorable mention, if the Pac-12 does such a thing.

[UtahsMrSports]

on the radio this morning, they were saying that Cal's losses over the weekend likely end a Utah-BYU NIT matchup. Cal is out of the tourney, and both Utah and Cal will be 2 seeds in the NIT, with the Y a 3 seed. Utah will be sent out of region as the lower 2, so Cal will play the Y. Only way we will is in Madison Sq. Garden, if the Y beats Cal. (and we get that far).

I think this is probably wise. Not that it matters, but if either team was to play at the other's place, they would have a legitimate gripe. It would be kind of fun to have Utes-Cougs in Madison Square Garden.

[#1 Utefan]

Any of our Vegas or southern Utah fans interested in free tickets to Wednesday's games? We bought the tournament package, but I can't make it down until Thursday.

Utes play at 2:30 PT on Thursday against the winner of Cal/OSU. We plan on attending all the Thursday, Friday, and Saturday games.

Do you still have them? I will down there for work Wednesday and would be interested in the evening session if you're still offering.

[Scorcho]

Bulletin board for the Utes in Vegas:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/06/college-hotline-pac-12-basketball-weekend-rewind-4-22-edition/

I typically like Wilner, but that article was kinda disckish. You'd think focusing on having 3 top 10 PAC-12 teams for the first time in I don't know how long might be a better story.

[sancho]

I typically like Wilner, but that article was kinda disckish. You'd think focusing on having 3 top 10 PAC-12 teams for the first time in I don't know how long might be a better story.

Yeah, I think it's funny that he proclaims Utah to be the worst 4 seed ever, using RPI as his metric. Then, he immediately points out that, by the RPI, Arizona was a worse 4 seed in 2012.

His point is valid, though. Even if we are not the worst ever, it's pretty bad that the 4 seed in the Pac-12 is not worthy of an at-large.

[Scorcho]

Yeah, I think it's funny that he proclaims Utah to be the worst 4 seed ever, using RPI as his metric. Then, he immediately points out that, by the RPI, Arizona was a worse 4 seed in 2012.

His point is valid, though. Even if we are not the worst ever, it's pretty bad that the 4 seed in the Pac-12 is not worthy of an at-large.

except, when was the last time the P12/P10 had 3 legit final 4 contenders. Shouldn't that be the focus? I get after the #3 seed there is a cliff type dropoff, but I'm pumped for UA, UO and UCLA

[Hayes6]

Yeah, I think it's funny that he proclaims Utah to be the worst 4 seed ever, using RPI as his metric. Then, he immediately points out that, by the RPI, Arizona was a worse 4 seed in 2012.

His point is valid, though. Even if we are not the worst ever, it's pretty bad that the 4 seed in the Pac-12 is not worthy of an at-large.

We are a victim having three potential final four teams at once in the conference at the same time. If UCLA and Oregon were only very good, we would have two more quality wins and be a lock for the tournament. I'm going to be bummed if those three crap the bed in the tournament.

[snafu]

I have no problem with the Wilner article. That loss to OSU is a millstone around our neck.

[sancho]

I'm going to be bummed if those three crap the bed in the tournament.

I won't mind. It would be great to see Oregon upset as a 1-seed. Hopefully, whoever knocks them out kisses their biceps after every dunk. I won't mind if Miller starts to develop a rep for not being able to get it done at the highest level. And why would I root for a team featuring Bryce Alford?

[chrisrenrut]

Do you still have them? I will down there for work Wednesday and would be interested in the evening session if you're still offering.

Turns out we will probably make it down in time for the evening session. Sorry.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Turns out we will probably make it down in time for the evening session. Sorry.

Am I to interpret this as you're still offering the Utah game tickets?

[chrisrenrut]

Am I to interpret this as you're still offering the Utah game tickets?

No, at this point, I am offering tickets to the 1st session on Wednesday only. We'll be there for the rest.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

No, at this point, I am offering tickets to the 1st session on Wednesday only. We'll be there for the rest.

Oh Wednesday. I somehow missed that part. Thanks for the clarification.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

LK reported that he got a promising text regarding Collette, but stressed that they were still undergoing more tests.

[Scorcho]

this makes me nervous, no pic of head injury Harry ...


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[snafu]

Maybe this tournament will be Jayce's coming out party. One can always hope, right?

[sancho]

Maybe this tournament will be Jayce's coming out party. One can always hope, right?

We can hope for Jayce to play well and get some garbage buckets. Maybe a hook shot or two. But to replace Collette's offensive production, we need to place our hopes elsewhere.

Of course, even if Jayce plays well, there's the issue of what we do when Jayce is out of the game.

[Diehard Ute]

this makes me nervous, no pic of head injury Harry ...


Utes are fueled up & ready to fly to Las Vegas!https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f6eb.png#GoUtes (https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoUtes?src=hash) #ClimbTogether (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ClimbTogether?src=hash)

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Kuzma isn't there either. Guessing they were still inside or had class or something


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Here's a Tweet of Dave at Top Golf. Looks like everyone made the trip. Including Collette and Daniels.

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[Mormon Red Death]

On my way... Let's go utes!

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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Daniels practiced today. Larry says both he and Collette are "game time decisions."

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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Dirk Facer is saying that Daniels has officially been reinstated. I'm not sure if him practicing today made that official or what.

[utefansince79]

Hopefully he'll be a bit wiser for the experience and that will help him make better decisions.

[Diehard Ute]

Daniels spoke to the media today. Said all the right things.


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[Scorcho]

Final ASU 98 Furd 88

I'm perplexed why Utah struggles so much with Furd :confused:

Its like the football equivalent of Arizona

[sancho]

Final ASU 98 Furd 88

I'm perplexed why Utah struggles so much with Furd :confused:

Its like the football equivalent of Arizona

ASU gave Oregon a game in Eugene. Maybe..?

OSU giving Cal a game now. I say go Beavers since I believe we need to win it all to make it. I guess people who think we can still get in as an at-large need to root for Cal.

[Ma'ake]

I just watched OS vs Cal. Oregon State had nothing to lose, played loose... we know that movie.

Cal looked tired. That last road trip slayed them. The Bears made enough plays, and the Beavs lost Eubanks, so Utah-Oregon State was not to be, which is fine with me, because they played with energy and faith.

Cal will be motivated, but they're fatigued at a level that causes you to short free throws in the first half.

I would have preferred Cal, based on today's game. So, we got what we want. (I guess what *I* want, but... whatever) I think we can get to Friday.

[chrisrenrut]

ASU gave Oregon a game in Eugene. Maybe..?

OSU giving Cal a game now. I say go Beavers since I believe we need to win it all to make it. I guess people who think we can still get in as an at-large need to root for Cal.

We are 0-1 against OSU, and 1-1 against Cal, with a recent blow out win. I would almost rather play Cal.

[sancho]

We are 0-1 against OSU, and 1-1 against Cal, with a recent blow out win. I would almost rather play Cal.

We beat OSU in SLC. Blow out that turned kinda close at the end.

[chrisrenrut]

We beat OSU in SLC. Blow out that turned kinda close at the end.

Oh, yeah. Very forgettable game, except for the controversy of going to the 3rd string too early.

[DrumNFeather]

Oregon up on ASU 34-31 at the break.

[DrumNFeather]

Daniels and Colette will play today vs. Cal.

[sancho]

Oregon up on ASU 34-31 at the break.

Blowout now. Ducks will get some rest in the 2nd half.

[U-Ute]

Daniels and Collette appear to be back.

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[U-Ute]

Collette starting.

[justaute]

Can't watch the game, but from seeing the scores, it seems our season is just about over. Regression to the mean.

[sancho]

Well, cal tried to give us the game. What awful decisions down the stretch.

I wish kuzma had taken the last shot.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I just can't understand this quote. Someone please help me. Is this the kind of awareness we have from top to bottom?!

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[sancho]

I just can't understand this quote. Someone please help me. Is this the kind of awareness we have from top to bottom?!

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He just figured 30 was enough to not have to foul bird. Make bird pass.

[justaute]

Just read this from Goon. Very disappointing.

"Bonam: We ball-watched a lot. Including me."

[LA Ute]

I think I am glad I missed this game. All I know is what I've seen in this thread. Did we fall apart on the last possession again?

[snafu]

Keeping this in perspective. We don't match up well with Oregon. In fact, it likely would have been an ugly game for us had we won today. I don't want to see them again for awhile. Yes, I am disappointed but still optimistic for the future.

[Rocker Ute]

This loss lies solely on my 6yo daughter. She was hungry, I was to grill something tonight and told her I wouldn't start until the end of the game.

Right after Kuzma hit the three to bring it within one, she literally prayed that they'd miss so it wouldn't go in over.

Rotten kid.


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[Scorcho]

I think I am glad I missed this game. All I know is what I've seen in this thread. Did we fall apart on the last possession again?

mixed bag. utah made some clutch shots to cut an 11 point lead to 1 with 30 seconds left, and the we fouled with 6 seconds left. Barefield drove and pulled up from 3 to tie the game but it was a rushed shot and didn't draw iron.

Disappointing game, but par for this season

[sancho]

I think I am glad I missed this game. All I know is what I've seen in this thread. Did we fall apart on the last possession again?

They fell apart worse than we did. They took (and missed) a shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock when they had the lead with 1:30 to go. Then, they had the ability to run the clock out all the way or make us foul, and they took another shot. They nearly gave it to us.

[SeattleUte]

Keeping this in perspective. We don't match up well with Oregon. In fact, it likely would have been an ugly game for us had we won today. I don't want to see them again for awhile. Yes, I am disappointed but still optimistic for the future.

This is a weak rationalization for the Utes' loss to a team they wound up ahead of in the standings, that the Utes beat by 30 a week ago, and that had played a game less than 24 hours previously--and thereby failing to make the final four of the Pac 12 tournament and terminating a chance to make the NCAA tournament. There is no silver lining to this loss. That's not a "perspective" I want any part of. BYU sucked it up and improbably beat #1 ranked Gonzaga on the road, and tonight TCU sucked it up and beat #1 ranked Kansas. Is it too hopeful for us to aspire to a--surprise, surprise--Utah upset of Oregon. Probably the most unsettling part of Kodiak's tenure is his complete inability to deal with Oregon. I wish he had a chance tomorrow to turn that around.

[LA Ute]

This is a weak rationalization for the Utes' loss to a team they wound up ahead of in the standings, that the Utes beat by 30 a week ago, and that had played a game less than 24 hours previously--and thereby failing to make the final four of the Pac 12 tournament and terminating a chance to make the NCAA tournament. There is no silver lining to this loss. That's not a "perspective" I want any part of. BYU sucked it up and improbably beat #1 ranked Gonzaga on the road, and tonight TCU sucked it up and beat #1 ranked Kansas. Is it too hopeful for us to aspire to a--surprise, surprise--Utah upset of Oregon. Probably the most unsettling part of Kodiak's tenure is his complete inability to deal with Oregon. I wish he had a chance tomorrow to turn that around.

Yep.

[UTEopia]

Cal played like the Cal team that beat us in Berkeley. Utah did not push the ball offensively, was willing to settle for outside shots, and did not aggressively take the ball to the basket. I think this is illustrated by the fact that we had 20 fouls to Cal's 18 and they shot 27 foul shots and we shot 11. They outscore us 22 - 8 at the foul line.

[snafu]

This is a weak rationalization for the Utes' loss to a team they wound up ahead of in the standings, that the Utes beat by 30 a week ago, and that had played a game less than 24 hours previously--and thereby failing to make the final four of the Pac 12 tournament and terminating a chance to make the NCAA tournament. There is no silver lining to this loss. That's not a "perspective" I want any part of. BYU sucked it up and improbably beat #1 ranked Gonzaga on the road, and tonight TCU sucked it up and beat #1 ranked Kansas. Is it too hopeful for us to aspire to a--surprise, surprise--Utah upset of Oregon. Probably the most unsettling part of Kodiak's tenure is his complete inability to deal with Oregon. I wish he had a chance tomorrow to turn that around.

I suppose you are right about that. I simply can't come up with any evidence that suggests we could beat Oregon right now. None. As for BYU they at least knew they could win in Spokane. Three years in a row now.

[Solon]

The big difference was in free throws.
We have to give Cal credit. They played hard and earned it.

[chrisrenrut]

The big difference was in free throws.
We have to give Cal credit. They played hard and earned it.

We should have been pushing the tempo, especially in the 2nd half. Cal was on it's 4th haif of basketball in 24 hours. But we were content to slow the game down, and wait until late in the shot clock. And as Bonam said, a lot of our players ended up "watching the ball" instead of taking the initiative and being the team with more energy and stamina.

[SeattleUte]

Seems to me we missed Daniels.

[chrisrenrut]

Seems to me we missed Daniels.

We missed the Daniels from the Xavier, Arizona, and Washington games. 6 out of the last 7 games Daniels played in, he didn't do much to make us miss him. Hopefully just his Freshman slump late in the season.

[chrisrenrut]

I made a PAC12 and NCAA tournament bracket challenge if anyone's interested. A google registered email is required (doesn't have to be gmail). Just post or BM me your email if you want to play.

PAC Master Bracket (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wryc4z5BT7bUHGzE_dyoHO_XSm_k6POAwJov7FDig-U/pubhtml)


NCAA Master Bracket (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rWm8DokxN9FEg7tbBcxfNTsOVgOm3FtCPLQLFwp2p8c/pubhtml)

Should we make this the official UB5 bracket challenge vehicle this year? JRJ, please add me, chrisrenrut@gmail.

[DrumNFeather]

We did one for money last year and someone walked away with 75 smackaroos!

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