2017-2018 NCAA Basketball

[Mormon Red Death]

Put all the goings on of NCAA basketball here.

[sancho]

VCU/UVa is on right now in the 2nd half, and VCU just cut a 10 point lead to two.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Woof. Huskies are getting whipped by Va Tech. I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere.

[sancho]

Some good games to watch at work today:

Marquette/VCU at 12:30
Wichita St/Cal at 2:30

And some for home:

UCLA/Creighton at 5:00
Texas A&M/Okie St at 5:00
Baylor/Wisconsin at 7:30
Michigan/LSU at 9:00
UNC/Stanford at 9:30

Get yer fill this week because college basketball takes a month off in Dec before good games return in Jan.

[sancho]

Some good games to watch at work today:

Marquette/VCU at 12:30
Wichita St/Cal at 2:30

And some for home:

UCLA/Creighton at 5:00
Texas A&M/Okie St at 5:00
Baylor/Wisconsin at 7:30
Michigan/LSU at 9:00
UNC/Stanford at 9:30

Get yer fill this week because college basketball takes a month off in Dec before good games return in Jan.

UCLA goes down to Creighton.

Mizzou is up by 2 over Emporia State late in the 2nd half. I think Missouri is just not good.

[DrumNFeather]

UCLA goes down to Creighton.

Mizzou is up by 2 over Emporia State late in the 2nd half. I think Missouri is just not good.

Cal choked their game away as well. They were up big on the Shockers and eventually gave it away.

[sancho]

Big night for basketball fans. UNC vs MSU. A&M vs USC. Duke vs Florida.

[sancho]

ACC/Big10 Challenge starts tonight. Not sure why we didn't create this with the Big12 before the SEC did. We could still do the Big East, though!

[chrisrenrut]

Not sure where else to put this:

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[Old Standing ute]

UCLA goes down to Creighton.

Mizzou is up by 2 over Emporia State late in the 2nd half. I think Missouri is just not good.

Mizzou loses by 4 to #23 ranked West Va.

[justaute]

Mizzou loses by 4 to #23 ranked West Va.

Did Porter Jr play?

[concerned]

Did Porter Jr play?

He is out for the year; either had or will have season ending surgery. has never played for Mizzou, but his brother has, and his dad has a job.

[justaute]

He is out for the year; either had or will have season ending surgery. has never played for Mizzou, but his brother has, and his dad has a job.

Thanks. I believed he played a bit in the game against Iowa State.

[sancho]

Gonzaga loses to Villanova in their last meaningful basketball game until March.

Crazy. How does Few convince these guys that an annual hibernation is a good idea?

[Mormon Red Death]

Gonzaga loses to Villanova in their last meaningful basketball game until March.

Crazy. How does Few convince these guys that an annual hibernation is a good idea?Why does the big10 play conference games right now? Then they go back to non conference until January

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[Mormon Red Death]

Why does the big10 play conference games right now? Then they go back to non conference until January

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[snafu]

For those of you in the know, what's the best way to purchase NCAA tournament tickets? I'm looking at Boise for 1st/2nd round games but not sure where to look. A guick google search and I just get more confused. Are prices per game? per day?

[chrisrenrut]

For those of you in the know, what's the best way to purchase NCAA tournament tickets? I'm looking at Boise for 1st/2nd round games but not sure where to look. A guick google search and I just get more confused. Are prices per game? per day?

Prices are per session. There are 3 sessions, of 2 games each. 2 sessions on the first day, one session on the 2nd day. You can buy a full session package if you buy early enough, or can find someone selling on the secondary market.

You'll probably have to buy from the secondary market at this point. They usually go on sale 8 months in advance, and sell out pretty quickly. Not sure what the best secondary market would be in Boise, other than Stubhub.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Prices are per session. There are 3 sessions, of 2 games each. 2 sessions on the first day, one session on the 2nd day. You can buy a full session package if you buy early enough, or can find someone selling on the secondary market.

You'll probably have to buy from the secondary market at this point. They usually go on sale 8 months in advance, and sell out pretty quickly. Not sure what the best secondary market would be in Boise, other than Stubhub.

Maybe he’d have more luck at Spudhub.

EDIT: No. But my autocorrect is.

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[Diehard Ute]

Maybe get have more luck at Spudhub.


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Are you having a stroke?


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[DrumNFeather]

Bubble watch games tonight:

Tennessee (3 Seed) vs. Miss St. - L, moved to next four out.
Florida (6 Seed) vs. Alabama - L, moved to 10 seed
Miami (9 Seed) vs. UNC (2 Seed) - W, moved to 7 seed
Kansas St. - (10 Seed) vs. TCU (6 Seed) - L, went from last four byes to a 10 seed...weird.
St. Bonaventure (Last four byes - 11 Seed) vs. Davidson, W - triple OT thriller. No change.
Boise St. (Next Four Out) vs. SDSU, L - No longer on the list.
Oklahoma (8 Seed) vs. Baylor (First Four Out) - W, Now last four byes - 11 seed. Oklahoma has dropped to a 10.

Of Note - Missouri, one of our best wins is @ Vandy and with an RPI of 42 (9 Seed in the tourney right now). - W

[sancho]

Miami spoils UNC's senior night with a 40 foot game winning three pointer. Sweet.

[DrumNFeather]

Bubble games tonight:

Providence (Last Four In - 11 Seed) vs. Xavier
Pittsburgh vs. Notre Dame (Next Four Out - below us on the list)
Texas A&M (8 Seed) vs. Georgia
Florida St. (9 Seed) vs. Clemson
Syracuse (First four out) vs. Boston College


In other news, Ole Miss, Butler, UNLV and Utah St. are all in action tonight, which may marginally help our RPI, but not by much.

[sancho]

Why is the Big10 tournament going on right now?

[DrumNFeather]

Why is the Big10 tournament going on right now?

They wanted to hold it in Madison Square Garden, and this is the week that worked for that.

[sancho]

They wanted to hold it in Madison Square Garden, and this is the week that worked for that.


Huh. Works well for me. I get to watch tournament basketball a week earlier this year!

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Why is the Big10 tournament going on right now?

They wanted to go head to head with the WCC tourney.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

The end of the UVA game last night was one for the ages. Down by 4 with 0.9 sec left, and they came back to beat Louisville. In fact, they scored 8 points in the final 7 seconds.

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/969415136023752704/vid/1280x720/ox_A-F3dcqMvdDqP.mp4
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5a9a1ce4e451b/ox_A-F3dcqMvdDqP.mp4

[DrumNFeather]

Lots of bubble teams picking up big wins today all around the country. I'll be interested to see what the projections look like heading into league tournaments (Sans the Big 10).

[The Thrill]

NEXT FOUR OUT





Utah 19-10
Mississippi St - 20-10
Marquette - 18-12
Notre Dame 17-13


Q1 - 3-5 .375
Q1 - 3-7 .300
Q1 - 4-7 .364
Q1 - 2-8 .200


Q2 - 4-4 .500
Q2 - 3-3 .500
Q2 - 4-3 .571
Q2 - 4-2 .667


Q3 - 6-1 .857
Q3 - 6-0 1.000
Q3 - 4-2 .667
Q3 - 5-3 .625


Q4 - 6-0 1.000
Q4 - 8-0 1.000
Q4 - 6-0 1.000
Q4 - 6-0 1.000












FIRST FOUR OUT





UCLA 20-10
Penn State 21-12
Nebraska 22-10
Washington 20-11


Q1 - 3-7 .300
Q1 - 3-8 .273
Q1 - 1-6 .143
Q1 - 3-7 .300


Q2 - 5-1 .833
Q2 - 2-2 .500
Q2 - 2-3 .400
Q2 - 2-3 .400


Q3 - 6-2 .750
Q3 - 6-2 .750
Q3 - 9-1 .900
Q3 - 8-1 .889


Q4 - 6-0 1.000
Q4 - 10-0 1.000
Q4 - 10-0 1.000
Q4 - 7-0 1.000












LAST FOUR IN





Providence 19-10
Louisville 19-12
USC 21-10
Texas 18-13


Q1 - 3-8 .273
Q1 - 3-10 .231
Q1 - 4-6 .400
Q1 - 4-10 .286


Q2 - 5-1 .833
Q2 - 1-2 .333
Q2 - 5-3 .625
Q2 - 4-3 .571


Q3 - 7-0 .800
Q3 - 9-0 1.000
Q3 - 6-0 1.000
Q3 - 5-0 1.000


Q4 - 4-1 .800 (lost to UMass 243)
Q4 - 7-0 1.000
Q4 - 6-1 .857 (lost at home to Princeton 221)
Q4 - 5-0 1.000


















QUESTIONABLES





Arizona State 20-10





Q1 - 3-5 .375





Q2 - 4-4 .500





Q3 - 8-1 .889





Q4 - 5-0 1.000






Taking a look at those numbers Utah is the 2nd best Quadrant 1 team in the group behind USC
Utah ranks 6th for quadrant 2
Utah ranks 7th for quadrant 3 (Just the UNLV game keeping them from 7-0)
Utah ranks 1st for quadrant 4 (USC and Providence getting in with +220 RPI losses is sickening)

Let me know if there are other teams you'd like me to pull a report on.

[sancho]

They do this quadrant stuff to de-emphasize the RPI, which everyone knows is flawed. The quadrants are defined based on RPI, though, so it's just a cosmetic difference.

Just grab some kenpom, sagarin etc, and be done with it.

Of course, our RPI is elevated this season, so don't change until next year. In a sense, we gamed the RPI system this year. Kenpom has us at #61.

[The Thrill]

Virginia 28-2
Kansas 24-7
Xavier 27-4
Villanova 27-4


Q1 - 9-1 .900
Q1 - 10-3 .769
Q1 - 6-3 .667
Q1 - 8-3 .727


Q2 - 4-1 .800
Q2 - 8-3 .727
Q2 - 9-1 .900
Q2 - 7-0 1.000


Q3 - 10-0 1.000
Q3 - 2-1 .667 (Home vs Oklahoma St)
Q3 - 8-0 1.000
Q3 - 8-1 .889 (Home vs St Johns)


Q4 - 5-0 1.000
Q4 - 4-0 1.000
Q4 - 4-0 1.000
Q4 - 4-0 1.000

[sancho]

Virginia 28-2
Kansas 24-7
Xavier 27-4
Villanova 27-4


Q1 - 9-1 .900
Q1 - 10-3 .769
Q1 - 6-3 .667
Q1 - 8-3 .727


Q2 - 4-1 .800
Q2 - 8-3 .727
Q2 - 9-1 .900
Q2 - 7-0 1.000


Q3 - 10-0 1.000
Q3 - 2-1 .667 (Home vs Oklahoma St)
Q3 - 8-0 1.000
Q3 - 8-1 .889 (Home vs St Johns)


Q4 - 5-0 1.000
Q4 - 4-0 1.000
Q4 - 4-0 1.000
Q4 - 4-0 1.000




Kansas has lost twice to Okie State.

[The Thrill]

Right but the home loss is the quadrant 3 loss. It's considered a bad loss since it was in Kansas.

[Mormon Red Death]

Utah not even in the the last four in according to Lunardi. How the hell can ASU be firmly with a bye and Utah not even on the bubble?

[sancho]

Utah not even in the the last four in according to Lunardi. How the hell can ASU be firmly with a bye and Utah not even on the bubble?


The committee has always cared about quality wins above all. Then bad losses. They care about volume of mid-range wins/losses less than anything else. ASU checks off the first two boxes. They have a lot of mid-range losses, which just don't matter much.

[DrumNFeather]

Utah not even in the the last four in according to Lunardi. How the hell can ASU be firmly with a bye and Utah not even on the bubble?

I have a sneaking suspicion that the only way ASU actually makes the field is to knock of CU and then Arizona in the Pac 12 tourney. I think that if Utah or UCLA could work its way to the final that Arizona St. is out. If you look where they are placed, it is such a shaky position. Sure, they have a bye, but they are an 11 seed.

[sancho]

It's now official: Bibbins a 1st team all-Pac12 player.

[DrumNFeather]

Even though Utah is currently off the bubble radar, it is still important that the teams in front of them take a nosedive in their conference tourneys.

Here's a quick rooting guide for the week:

Last four byes:

Kansas St. - vs. TCU (3/8) - TCU is currently projected as a 6 seed
Providence - vs. Creighton (3/8) - Creighton is currently projected as a 8 seed
Arizona St. - vs. CU (3/7)
Baylor - vs. WVU (3/8) - WVU is currently projected as a 4 seed

Last four in:

Texas - vs. Iowa St (3/7) - Gets TTech with a win
USC - vs. Winner of Washington/Oregon St.
UCLA - vs. Winner of Stanford/Cal
Alabama - vs. Texas A&M (3/8) - A&M is currently projected as a 7 seed.

First Four Out

Louisville vs. Florida St. (3/7) - FSU is a projected 9 seed.
Marquette - vs. Depaul (3/7) - Would get Nova with a win.
Oklahoma St. vs. Oklahoma (3/7) - Oklahoma is projected as a 10 seed, safely in the field.
Notre Dame - vs. Va. Tech (3/7) - Beat Pitt in the opening game by 3.

Next Four Out

Syracuse - vs. UNC (3/7) - Beat Wake in the opening round of the ACC tourney.
Penn St. (Season complete)
Boise St. - vs. USU/CSU winner (3/8)
Nebraska (Season complete)

Other games of interest:

St. Bonaventure (Projected 10 Seed) - Gets the winner of Richmond/Duquense (3/9)
Oklahoma (Projected 10 Seed) - vs. Oklahoma St (3/7)
St. Marys (Projected 9 Seed) - Can our brethren from the South take them out of the big dance? (3/5) - L

[SoCalPat]

NEXT FOUR OUT





Utah 19-10
Mississippi St - 20-10
Marquette - 18-12
Notre Dame 17-13


Q1 - 3-5 .375
Q1 - 3-7 .300
Q1 - 4-7 .364
Q1 - 2-8 .200


Q2 - 4-4 .500
Q2 - 3-3 .500
Q2 - 4-3 .571
Q2 - 4-2 .667


Q3 - 6-1 .857
Q3 - 6-0 1.000
Q3 - 4-2 .667
Q3 - 5-3 .625


Q4 - 6-0 1.000
Q4 - 8-0 1.000
Q4 - 6-0 1.000
Q4 - 6-0 1.000












FIRST FOUR OUT





UCLA 20-10
Penn State 21-12
Nebraska 22-10
Washington 20-11


Q1 - 3-7 .300
Q1 - 3-8 .273
Q1 - 1-6 .143
Q1 - 3-7 .300


Q2 - 5-1 .833
Q2 - 2-2 .500
Q2 - 2-3 .400
Q2 - 2-3 .400


Q3 - 6-2 .750
Q3 - 6-2 .750
Q3 - 9-1 .900
Q3 - 8-1 .889


Q4 - 6-0 1.000
Q4 - 10-0 1.000
Q4 - 10-0 1.000
Q4 - 7-0 1.000












LAST FOUR IN





Providence 19-10
Louisville 19-12
USC 21-10
Texas 18-13


Q1 - 3-8 .273
Q1 - 3-10 .231
Q1 - 4-6 .400
Q1 - 4-10 .286


Q2 - 5-1 .833
Q2 - 1-2 .333
Q2 - 5-3 .625
Q2 - 4-3 .571


Q3 - 7-0 .800
Q3 - 9-0 1.000
Q3 - 6-0 1.000
Q3 - 5-0 1.000


Q4 - 4-1 .800 (lost to UMass 243)
Q4 - 7-0 1.000
Q4 - 6-1 .857 (lost at home to Princeton 221)
Q4 - 5-0 1.000


















QUESTIONABLES





Arizona State 20-10





Q1 - 3-5 .375





Q2 - 4-4 .500





Q3 - 8-1 .889





Q4 - 5-0 1.000






Taking a look at those numbers Utah is the 2nd best Quadrant 1 team in the group behind USC
Utah ranks 6th for quadrant 2
Utah ranks 7th for quadrant 3 (Just the UNLV game keeping them from 7-0)
Utah ranks 1st for quadrant 4 (USC and Providence getting in with +220 RPI losses is sickening)

Let me know if there are other teams you'd like me to pull a report on.

We also played fewer Q1 games than any other team out there besides Nebraska, whose situation is much like ours -- good conference finish, lousy non-con, few quality wins.

[concerned]

I think all of this is academic, b/c Collette's ankle injury looked severe enough to me that I would be shocked if he played this week, esp. consecutive days. Or next week for that matter. Hope I'm wrong.

[sancho]

Welcome to the start of "basketball in my office" season! ACC tournament time!

[Mormon Red Death]

I think all of this is academic, b/c Collette's ankle injury looked severe enough to me that I would be shocked if he played this week, esp. consecutive days. Or next week for that matter. Hope I'm wrong.

Collette’s status likely won’t be revealed until game time. He rolled his ankle in the first half on Saturday and went to the hospital for X-rays in the middle of the game. He returned on crutches at the end of the Senior Day ceremony on the court. The X-rays were negative for any broken bones, so it’s conceivable he could play this week.

[DrumNFeather]

Even though Utah is currently off the bubble radar, it is still important that the teams in front of them take a nosedive in their conference tourneys.

Here's a quick rooting guide for the week:

Last four byes:

Kansas St. - vs. TCU (3/8) - TCU is currently projected as a 6 seed
Providence - vs. Creighton (3/8) - Creighton is currently projected as a 8 seed
Arizona St. - vs. CU (3/7)
Baylor - vs. WVU (3/8) - WVU is currently projected as a 4 seed

Other games of interest:

St. Bonaventure (Projected 10 Seed) - Gets the winner of Richmond/Duquense (3/9)
Oklahoma (Projected 10 Seed) - vs. Oklahoma St (3/7)
St. Marys (Projected 9 Seed) - Can our brethren from the South take them out of the big dance? (3/5) - L

After last night's results, Lunardi has moved St. Mary's to "last four byes" and for some strange reason has ASU back safely in the field.

Here's my hot take...if you insist that both of these teams are worthy of the 68 team field, put them in a play-in game against each other. As it stands, I think St. Mary's will get bumped down and eventually left out of the field completely. But hey - our loss to BYU looks better!

[Scorcho]

After last night's results, Lunardi has moved St. Mary's to "last four byes" and for some strange reason has ASU back safely in the field.

Here's my hot take...if you insist that both of these teams are worthy of the 68 team field, put them in a play-in game against each other. As it stands, I think St. Mary's will get bumped down and eventually left out of the field completely. But hey - our loss to BYU looks better!

ASU exposed a flaw in the quadrant wins formula.

An incredible OOC season should count for something (ASU went 12-0), but shouldn't trump a poor conference season. Especially considering it wasn't the result of an injury or two. You can't go 12-0 and finish 8-10. If they win 2 games in the tournament I would consider them, but not before that.

[sancho]

After last night's results, Lunardi has moved St. Mary's to "last four byes" and for some strange reason has ASU back safely in the field.

Here's my hot take...if you insist that both of these teams are worthy of the 68 team field, put them in a play-in game against each other. As it stands, I think St. Mary's will get bumped down and eventually left out of the field completely. But hey - our loss to BYU looks better!

There are some unwritten rules for mid majors to get at-large bids. They include (1) scheduling 3-4 good teams OOC, (2) beating 1-2 good teams OOC, (3) losing to 1 or fewer of the bad teams in your conference. For the past 5 or so years, this recipe has been enough to get a middie into the dance.

St Mary's is really pushing it. They did not schedule ANY good OOC games and therefore have NO good OOC wins. ESPN ranks their nonCon SOS as 333! They did manage to cruise through the bad WCC just fine.

Basically, the case for St Mary's is that they beat Gonzaga once and managed not to lose to the awful teams they played against. It's not a strong case.

[DrumNFeather]

There are some unwritten rules for mid majors to get at-large bids. They include (1) scheduling 3-4 good teams OOC, (2) beating 1-2 good teams OOC, (3) losing to 1 or fewer of the bad teams in your conference. For the past 5 or so years, this recipe has been enough to get a middie into the dance.

St Mary's is really pushing it. They did not schedule ANY good OOC games and therefore have NO good OOC wins. ESPN ranks their nonCon SOS as 333! They did manage to cruise through the bad WCC just fine.

Basically, the case for St Mary's is that they beat Gonzaga once and managed not to lose to the awful teams they played against. It's not a strong case.

Certainly not, and there are reports out there that they turned down games with teams like Rhode Island and others that would boost that non-conference SOS. Of the P5 teams they played, they lost to Wazzu, Georgia, and beat Cal. That right there should be an immediate disqualifier. Truth is, you can't reward a guy like Bennett for playing that schedule, and if you do, then you also can't turn around and tell a team like Utah, who plays in a fair superior league, that they don't schedule tough enough.

[sancho]

If they win 2 games in the tournament I would consider them, but not before that.

I'm torn on the game tomorrow. If ASU wins, we get another ASU/Zona rivalry game, which I like. On the other hand, if ASU loses, it puts the committee in a real interesting spot. Will they double down on their quadrant criteria, or will they allow common sense into the equation?

[DrumNFeather]

I'm torn on the game tomorrow. If ASU wins, we get another ASU/Zona rivalry game, which I like. On the other hand, if ASU loses, it puts the committee in a real interesting spot. Will they double down on their quadrant criteria, or will they allow common sense into the equation?

I think at best they get into a play-in game if they lose to CU tomorrow. There will be enough bubble teams that will get 1-2-3 more wins while ASU sits on the sidelines (assuming that happens) that I could see them, like St. Mary's just slip out of the field.

[sancho]

Certainly not, and there are reports out there that they turned down games with teams like Rhode Island and others that would boost that non-conference SOS. Of the P5 teams they played, they lost to Wazzu, Georgia, and beat Cal. That right there should be an immediate disqualifier. Truth is, you can't reward a guy like Bennett for playing that schedule, and if you do, then you also can't turn around and tell a team like Utah, who plays in a fair superior league, that they don't schedule tough enough.

Truth. If St Mary's gets in with the #333 OOC schedule, what incentive do any mid-majors have to schedule up?

[UtahsMrSports]

As Ute fans, its in our nature, but we need to cheer against our friends to the south this evening! No bid thieves!

[DrumNFeather]

As Ute fans, its in our nature, but we need to cheer against our friends to the south this evening! No bid thieves!

They did their job by knocking St. Mary's off...that team has no argument for the big dance. None!

[DrumNFeather]

Don McLean was on with Riley the other day, and they were talking about this stat that we've heard several times that Utah would be better off to have not played those SWAC teams because they drag down the team's RPI, and of course we've certainly been clamoring for that ourselves. McLean made the point that these games are how these smaller schools fund their athletic programs for the year, and that in many cases they are playing 2-3 games in 2-3-4 nights when they come to Utah, etc., and what would become of those programs if the Utah's of the world stopped playing them. Now, that isn't necessarily a burden that Utah or any other P5 school should have to bear, but I thought it was a really interesting point, and as long as these 200+ RPI teams weigh your schedule down, eventually you are gonna have to get wise and not schedule those games.

More of this discussion to come in the off-season, but I thought it was an interesting point.

[sancho]

Don McLean was on with Riley the other day, and they were talking about this stat that we've heard several times that Utah would be better off to have not played those SWAC teams because they drag down the team's RPI, and of course we've certainly been clamoring for that ourselves. McLean made the point that these games are how these smaller schools fund their athletic programs for the year, and that in many cases they are playing 2-3 games in 2-3-4 nights when they come to Utah, etc., and what would become of those programs if the Utah's of the world stopped playing them. Now, that isn't necessarily a burden that Utah or any other P5 school should have to bear, but I thought it was a really interesting point, and as long as these 200+ RPI teams weigh your schedule down, eventually you are gonna have to get wise and not schedule those games.

More of this discussion to come in the off-season, but I thought it was an interesting point.

Sure would be easy for the NCAA selection committee to care less about having a couple of these games on the schedule. But as long as they are going to be married to the RPI, we should not schedule these games. Let those teams fend for themselves.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Larry Krystkowiak was awarded the AP Pac-12 Coach of the Year. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/03/06/arizonas-deandre-ayton-earns-pac-12-player-of-year-honors/32665329/

[DrumNFeather]

Even though Utah is currently off the bubble radar, it is still important that the teams in front of them take a nosedive in their conference tourneys.

Here's a quick rooting guide for the week:

Last four byes:

Arizona St. - vs. CU (3/7)

Last four in:

Texas - vs. Iowa St (3/7) - Gets TTech with a win
USC - vs. Winner of Washington/Oregon St.
UCLA - vs. Winner of Stanford/Cal

First Four Out

Louisville vs. Florida St. (3/7) - FSU is a projected 9 seed.
Marquette - vs. Depaul (3/7) - Would get Nova with a win.
Oklahoma St. vs. Oklahoma (3/7) - Oklahoma is projected as a 10 seed, safely in the field.
Notre Dame - vs. Va. Tech (3/7) - Beat Pitt in the opening game by 3.

Next Four Out

Syracuse - vs. UNC (3/7) - Beat Wake in the opening round of the ACC tourney.

Other games of interest:

Oklahoma (Projected 10 Seed) - vs. Oklahoma St (3/7)

Lots of games to pay attention to today.

[sancho]

Article in SD Tribune about Gonzaga (and maybe BYU) to the MWC:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

I've asked this before, but it's relevant again now. Should the Pac-12 add Gonzaga?

Argument for: Gonzaga just played for the national title and has been ranked consistently for the past decade. Our conference, on the other hand, has struggled in basketball in a big way. Adding the Zags increases the strength of the conference.

Arguments against: What if Gonzaga returns to mediocrity? What if Few leaves? We are stuck with a tiny school in Spokane. Scheduling would be awkward with 13 teams. For the snobs who care, Gonzaga doesn't fit the academic profile of the conference. Gonzaga to the Pac-12 makes recruiting for the other Pac-12 schools that much tougher.

[Scorcho]

Article in SD Tribune about Gonzaga (and maybe BYU) to the MWC:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

I've asked this before, but it's relevant again now. Should the Pac-12 add Gonzaga?

Argument for: Gonzaga just played for the national title and has been ranked consistently for the past decade. Our conference, on the other hand, has struggled in basketball in a big way. Adding the Zags increases the strength of the conference.

Arguments against: What if Gonzaga returns to mediocrity? What if Few leaves? We are stuck with a tiny school in Spokane. Scheduling would be awkward with 13 teams. For the snobs who care, Gonzaga doesn't fit the academic profile of the conference. Gonzaga to the Pac-12 makes recruiting for the other Pac-12 schools that much tougher.

from that article, the MWC was ready to put it to a vote, but now will hold off till next month :snack:

[snafu]

Article in SD Tribune about Gonzaga (and maybe BYU) to the MWC:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

I've asked this before, but it's relevant again now. Should the Pac-12 add Gonzaga?

Argument for: Gonzaga just played for the national title and has been ranked consistently for the past decade. Our conference, on the other hand, has struggled in basketball in a big way. Adding the Zags increases the strength of the conference.

Arguments against: What if Gonzaga returns to mediocrity? What if Few leaves? We are stuck with a tiny school in Spokane. Scheduling would be awkward with 13 teams. For the snobs who care, Gonzaga doesn't fit the academic profile of the conference. Gonzaga to the Pac-12 makes recruiting for the other Pac-12 schools that much tougher.


I don't think Gonzaga makes sense for the PAC12. However, it makes total sense for the MWC. It seems like Gonzaga and Few have been particularly frustrated by the lack of progress made by teams in the WCC. It appears they are ready to do something about it and they should.

[DrumNFeather]

Boston College takes out NC State in the ACC tournament. NC State was a 9 seed in today's projection and had an RPI of 52.

[LuckyUte]

I don't think Gonzaga makes sense for the PAC12. However, it makes total sense for the MWC. It seems like Gonzaga and Few have been particularly frustrated by the lack of progress made by teams in the WCC. It appears they are ready to do something about it and they should.

Gonzaga would be a good fit with all the good basketball playing Catholic schools in the Big East, if they weren't so far away. Just an upgraded version of the WCC.

[DrumNFeather]

Mawien had 16 Points, 9 Rebs, and 3 blocks for Kansas St today in a win over TCU.

[justaute]

Certainly a curious situation when he was at Utah.


Mawien had 16 Points, 9 Rebs, and 3 blocks for Kansas St today in a win over TCU.

[Scorcho]

Certainly a curious situation when he was at Utah.

<dad joke> tough for Salt Lake City to compete with Manhattan </dad joke>

[DrumNFeather]

Certainly a curious situation when he was at Utah.

He's a good example of why we shouldn't want to run off young guys just because they don't play their first or even second year. Some guys just need time to develop and you have to trust that you have the staff in place to be able to develop them.

[SoCalPat]

Article in SD Tribune about Gonzaga (and maybe BYU) to the MWC:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-mountain-west-gonzaga-byu-analysis-20180307-story.html

I've asked this before, but it's relevant again now. Should the Pac-12 add Gonzaga?

Argument for: Gonzaga just played for the national title and has been ranked consistently for the past decade. Our conference, on the other hand, has struggled in basketball in a big way. Adding the Zags increases the strength of the conference.

Arguments against: What if Gonzaga returns to mediocrity? What if Few leaves? We are stuck with a tiny school in Spokane. Scheduling would be awkward with 13 teams. For the snobs who care, Gonzaga doesn't fit the academic profile of the conference. Gonzaga to the Pac-12 makes recruiting for the other Pac-12 schools that much tougher.

I don't want Gonzaga in the Pac-12. We've got the resources to get better from within; we don't need to bring in outside help to get us there. And Gonzaga ain't gonna make our TV deal better, either.

[sancho]

I don't want Gonzaga in the Pac-12. We've got the resources to get better from within; we don't need to bring in outside help to get us there. And Gonzaga ain't gonna make our TV deal better, either.

As I think about, I think Gonzaga might be foolish to want out anyway. They've had top seeds, they are an absolute lock to go dancing every year, they played for the title last year. I mean, if it ain't broke...

I also think BYU might benefit from Gonzaga leaving. BYU has always thrived in the big fish/little pond scenario. They could become a team with an annual free pass to the tournament.

[Scratch]

As I think about, I think Gonzaga might be foolish to want out anyway. They've had top seeds, they are an absolute lock to go dancing every year, they played for the title last year. I mean, if it ain't broke...

I also think BYU might benefit from Gonzaga leaving. BYU has always thrived in the big fish/little pond scenario. They could become a team with an annual free pass to the tournament.

They're already in a little pond. The WCC without Gonzaga would be a puddle.

[UtahsMrSports]

As I think about, I think Gonzaga might be foolish to want out anyway. They've had top seeds, they are an absolute lock to go dancing every year, they played for the title last year. I mean, if it ain't broke...

I also think BYU might benefit from Gonzaga leaving. BYU has always thrived in the big fish/little pond scenario. They could become a team with an annual free pass to the tournament.

Without Gonzaga, the WCC essentially becomes a guaranteed one bid league and the cougars battle SMC nearly every year for that one spot which would be 12-13, maybe higher in a good year.

[sancho]

Without Gonzaga, the WCC essentially becomes a guaranteed one bid league and the cougars battle SMC nearly every year for that one spot which would be 12-13, maybe higher in a good year.

Right, I'm saying that's a better scenario for them than the MWC.

[UtahsMrSports]

Right, I'm saying that's a better scenario for them than the MWC.

I dont know that it is. At least in the MWC, you have a chance to earn your stripes and get a higher seed. In the WCC, yeah, you might make the tourney more often (and i emphasize might) but every time you do, youd likely be a sacrificial lamb.

[sancho]

I dont know that it is. At least in the MWC, you have a chance to earn your stripes and get a higher seed. In the WCC, yeah, you might make the tourney more often (and i emphasize might) but every time you do, youd likely be a sacrificial lamb.

Gonzaga never would have become what it is in the MWC. It climbed out of nothing by being the only team in the WCC and getting an annual invite to the dance. Seeds were bad initially, but in time, they were getting decent OOC schedules and good seeds. Wouldn't BYU fill that role if Gonzaga leaves? Maybe it's harder now. Maybe with new conference schedules going to 20 games, it will be harder for mid majors.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Gonzaga is the Little School That Could. It is hard to think of the biggest private school in the country, with relatively unlimited resources, fill that same niche.

[DrumNFeather]

The Aggies take out Boise St.

[sancho]

Mawien with 29 pnts vs Kansas today.

[DrumNFeather]

ASU in, USC out.

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[sancho]

USC doesn't make the tournament, and ASU does. It's funny, but it's also completely insulting to the Pac-12.

[SoCalPat]

USC doesn't make the tournament, and ASU does. It's funny, but it's also completely insulting to the Pac-12.

Or maybe it's the cold water in the face this league needs to step its game up.

[concerned]

Two utes sure pegged Dureya

[SoCalPat]

Two utes sure pegged Dureya

Was he fired? You gotta wonder if they make a serious run at Tommy this time, and not a mere cursory one like last time.

[concerned]

Yes

[LA Ute]

Was he fired? You gotta wonder if they make a serious run at Tommy this time, and not a mere cursory one like last time.

It would be good for Tommy to have D1 head coaching experience if he ever really wants the U of U job.

[Diehard Ute]

Was he fired? You gotta wonder if they make a serious run at Tommy this time, and not a mere cursory one like last time.

I honestly don’t think Tommy has any aspirations to be the man


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[SoCalPat]

I honestly don’t think Tommy has any aspirations to be the man


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I think the argument can be made that the entire coaching staff is just happy to do what they're doing, and they'll do whatever they can so as to not jeopardize it.

[sancho]

Or maybe it's the cold water in the face this league needs to step its game up.

I guess it can be both insulting and awakening.

I'm a spirit of the law person, so it's hard for me to see sports lock itself into letter of the law interpretations all the time. I think if we just allowed a little common sense wiggle room, all kinds of things - selection, replay, etc - would be better. Perhaps part of the problem is that people making decisions - execs, ADs, referees - are not strong on common sense.

In this case, not one person outside of Tempe believes ASU has a better basketball team than USC. Ultimately, the point of all our criteria is to find the best teams for at-large bids. When we get married to the criteria instead of the bigger goal, we can sacrifice quality.

[sancho]

Silver lining: we know now that there was nothing Utah could have done in terms of scheduling to make the tournament this season. If we hadn't played the two teams that dragged our RPI down, we'd have ended in the low 40's, which wouldn't have been enough with our lack of quality wins. USC set a new record for a high major, 34 RPI and out.

Seems clear that the only way we could have made the tournament as an at large was by beating Arizona at least once. No other team in the conference really gave us a chance at a quality win.

[sancho]

So it's March. Here are the regions:

South: UVa, Cincy, Tennessee, Arizona, Kentucky. Thoughts: tough region. They didn't do UVa any favors here.

West: Xavier, UNC, Michigan, Gonzaga, OSU. UNC with a great opportunity to return to a final four. 2nd weakest region.

East: Villanova, Purdue, Texas Tech, Wichita, West Va. The weakest region. Purdue, TT, WSU is a pretty weak 2-3-4. The Shockers repeatedly played with fire against bad teams this season.

Midwest: Kansas, Duke, Michigan State, Auburn, Clemson. Toughest region. Go Duke!

[SoCalPat]

I guess it can be both insulting and awakening.

I'm a spirit of the law person, so it's hard for me to see sports lock itself into letter of the law interpretations all the time. I think if we just allowed a little common sense wiggle room, all kinds of things - selection, replay, etc - would be better. Perhaps part of the problem is that people making decisions - execs, ADs, referees - are not strong on common sense.

In this case, not one person outside of Tempe believes ASU has a better basketball team than USC. Ultimately, the point of all our criteria is to find the best teams for at-large bids. When we get married to the criteria instead of the bigger goal, we can sacrifice quality.

USC got in the play-in game recently, maybe even just last year. Won two games. If ASU does likewise, this will quickly be forgotten.

I think what's important to see, is that the Pac-12 will never be consistently on the same level as the ACC or Big East, or even the Big 12. As a result, you have to schedule up every year. And I don't care how young your team is -- they need to be rewarded when they arrive a year ahead of schedule. That happens a lot in college hoops.

[Two Utes]

It would be good for Tommy to have D1 head coaching experience if he ever really wants the U of U job.

The local guys know that Utah State is a very tough job.

Plus AD up at USU is going to hire national search firm to conduct a national search. He's going to CYA and get some up and comer using a "search firm" that will ultimately help him get his next AD job. Local contacts won't mean that much in this search.

[sancho]

The 538 probability bracket is nonsense, but it's still fun:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-march-madness-predictions/?addata=espn:ncb:index

1-seeds by probability: UVA 18%, Nova 17%, Kansas 7%, Xavier 3%.

2-seeds: Duke 10%, Cincy 6%, Purdue 5%, UNC 5%

3-seeds: Michigan St 6%, Tennessee 2%, Michigan 2%, Texas Tech 1%

4-seeds: Gonzaga 4%, Arizona 1%, WSU 1%, Auburn 0%

5-seeds: WVU 2%, Kentucky 2%, Clemson 0%, Ohio St 0%

Everyone else is at 0% (rounding down).

[SoCalPat]

Seems clear that the only way we could have made the tournament as an at large was by beating Arizona at least once. No other team in the conference really gave us a chance at a quality win.

Beat Arizona in Tucson, and ASU in SLC, and we're in. That knocks USC down to third in league play, gives us a Q1 road win and another Q2 home win. We also dodge Oregon in the quarters, and get Oregon State instead. Yes, we likely get USC again, but losing to them wouldn't be a massive issue, and would boost Troy's resume. ASU and another team (UCLA? Syracuse?) gets left out, and Utah and USC get in.

[UtahsMrSports]

Pac-12 has put together a task force to try and improve college basketball.......

In addition to a lot of the stuff that people talk about, I love the part of the proposal that seeks to make the often-shady AAU less relevant.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/pac12/2018/03/13/pac-12-task-force-college-basketball-scandal-changes/419113002/

[sancho]

980267285767213056

This is how I felt about the Penn St game.

[SeattleUte]

I don’t know how concerned to say that college basketball has declined after watching Villanova tonight. Not only is Villanova the greatest 3 shooting team ever, they play defense like the Majerus Utes.

[concerned]

I don’t know how concerned to say that college basketball has declined after watching Villanova tonight. Not only is Villanova the greatest 3 shooting team ever, they play defense like the Majerus Utes.

Seriously? The Michigan Loyola game proves my point, as do about 50 other games in this tourney, as does Kansas. There are so many players in the nba that should be juniors or seniors and would make any tourney team a lot better I dont know how you can say otherwise. Its watered down.

Do you think any of these teams (with guys like Wagner and the pudgy Loyola freshman at center) could come within light years of the Alcindor, Walton, Worthy-Jordan, Ewing teams, or the Kentucky and Duke teams of the 1990's? I don't.

I don't think any of these teams could have competed with the 97 or 98 Utah teams.

[SeattleUte]

Seriously? The Michigan Loyola game proves my point, as do about 50 other games in this tourney, as does Kansas. There are so many players in the nba that should be juniors or seniors and would make any tourney team a lot better I dont know how you can say otherwise. Its watered down.

Do you think any of these teams (with guys like Wagner and the pudgy Loyola freshman at center) could come within light years of the Alcindor, Walton, Worthy-Jordan, Ewing teams, or the Kentucky and Duke teams of the 1990's? I don't.

I don't think any of these teams could have competed with the 97 or 98 Utah teams.

What Happened to College Hoops? Don’t Worry, the Kids Are All Right https://nyti.ms/2Gq8Llb

[justaute]

Times have changed. Sport(s) has evolved. NCAA is no longer the same. Still, good basketball is good basketball, irrespective of who's playing. I just like well-played games.

[U-Ute]

Seriously? The Michigan Loyola game proves my point, as do about 50 other games in this tourney, as does Kansas. There are so many players in the nba that should be juniors or seniors and would make any tourney team a lot better I dont know how you can say otherwise. Its watered down.

Do you think any of these teams (with guys like Wagner and the pudgy Loyola freshman at center) could come within light years of the Alcindor, Walton, Worthy-Jordan, Ewing teams, or the Kentucky and Duke teams of the 1990's? I don't.

I don't think any of these teams could have competed with the 97 or 98 Utah teams.

It is also what makes the Loyola's and the George Mason's possible: Senior laden teams that have played together against athletic teams that are young.

That's what makes it so unpredictable and fun.

[concerned]

i agree with you (U-Ute) and justaute wholeheartedly. times have changed and I enjoy watching the tourney immensely. But I just dont think the quality of play or players is what it was when great players were juniors and seniors.

A tweet I just saw:

For those, um, interested in these sorts of things: Villanova is currently favored by 7 points tonight over Michigan. Since the NCAA field expanded to 64 in 1985, teams favored by 7+ in the title game are 2-6 against the spread and have lot outright 4 times:

[LA Ute]

What Happened to College Hoops? Don’t Worry, the Kids Are All Right https://nyti.ms/2Gq8Llb

https://media.giphy.com/media/13d2jHlSlxklVe/giphy.gif

[LA Ute]

Watching the championship game tonight does leave me feeling a little wistful. I was there in San Antonio on that night 20 years ago.

[sancho]

Watching the championship game tonight does leave me feeling a little wistful. I was there in San Antonio on that night 20 years ago.

Go Michigan.

[sancho]

Basketball would be served immensely by referees learning the art of the no call.

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[LA Ute]

Go Michigan.

Sorry, gotta go with Villanova. What college basketball should be.

[sancho]

Sorry, gotta go with Villanova. What college basketball should be.

Huh?

There's only one blue chip recruit on either team, and he plays for nova. Plus, America loves the underdog.

[sancho]

I'm still bummed we were robbed of duke/nova. I really like that match up for the blue devils.

[LA Ute]

Huh?

There's only one blue chip recruit on either team, and he plays for nova. Plus, America loves the underdog.

I’m thinking of academics and all that sort of thing. And yes, I love the underdog.

I do love watching DeVincenzo shoot. It’s a beautiful thing to watch.

[Rocker Ute]

I was there 20 years ago too. This is the most boring game I’ve ever watched.


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[LA Ute]

I was there 20 years ago too. This is the most boring game I’ve ever watched.


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No one saw this coming. Or did someone?

I feel bad for Michigan.

[sancho]

No one saw this coming. Or did someone?

I feel bad for Michigan.

Everyone I read predicted an easy nova win. Michigan is outmanned in size, strength, talent, skill, and athleticism.

This game ends an amazing steak of entertaining title games spanning pretty much all sports.

[sancho]

I’m thinking of academics and all that sort of thing.

I don't put much stock in university rankings, but Michigan is far above Villanova in terms of academic prestige.

[LA Ute]

I don't put much stock in university rankings, but Michigan is far above Villanova in terms of academic prestige.

I meant the players' personal academics. Maybe I'm wrong but my impression is that the Nova players actually stay in school and graduate at a high rate. Maybe the Michigan players do too.

[SeattleUte]

I don't put much stock in university rankings, but Michigan is far above Villanova in terms of academic prestige.

True.

[Applejack]

I'm still bummed we were robbed of duke/nova. I really like that match up for the blue devils.

You're the only one that wanted more DUKE.

[LA Ute]

You're the only one that wanted more DUKE.

He’s an alum so I forgive him for that. Mostly.

[Scorcho]

I was there 20 years ago too. This is the most boring game I’ve ever watched.


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you could argue that it was the worst final four ever, all 3 games were blowouts and more emphasis was placed on Sister Jean than anything

[sancho]

you could argue that it was the worst final four ever, all 3 games were blowouts and more emphasis was placed on Sister Jean than anything

Makes sense. Lots of excitement early leads to blowouts later. It's a trade worth making. One Shining Moment should have ended with the upset montage instead of the title game.

[Scorcho]

Makes sense. Lots of excitement early leads to blowouts later. It's a trade worth making. One Shining Moment should have ended with the upset montage instead of the title game.

Villanova is impressive though, to think that both of their title runs were comprised of recruiting classes outside the top 20

I am jealous.

[sancho]

Villanova is impressive though, to think that both of their title runs were comprised of recruiting classes outside the top 20

I am jealous.

They're in the sweet spot. Great recruits (they've had a lot of 4/5 stars) but not good enough to be one-and-done's.

That's where everyone wants to be, but no one has a formula for it. So far, the strategy is to recruit the best players you can get and hope it all works out. Since the one-and-done era began, we've seen two types of champion: the one-and-done team and the experienced senior team (and some hybrids). But so far, all champs in this era are basketball power programs with McDonald's All-Americans on the roster.

[sancho]

to think that both of their title runs were comprised of recruiting classes outside the top 20


Also, the recruiting class rankings don't include transfers. Paschall, probably the 2nd most valuable player for Nova in this tournament, was recruited out of Fordham. He was freshman of the year there, so I'm guessing he was a highly recruited transfer. Seems like these high profile transfers are going to be more and more important for power programs.

[mUUser]

They're in the sweet spot. Great recruits (they've had a lot of 4/5 stars) but not good enough to be one-and-done's.

That's where everyone wants to be, but no one has a formula for it. So far, the strategy is to recruit the best players you can get and hope it all works out. Since the one-and-done era began, we've seen two types of champion: the one-and-done team and the experienced senior team (and some hybrids). But so far, all champs in this era are basketball power programs with McDonald's All-Americans on the roster.

They have a McD AA jointing next season along with a couple of four stars. Ranked 12 right now. By the time its done, they could easily crack the top 10. Was bound to happen as they're quickly emerging as a modern day blue blood.

[Utah]

Also, the recruiting class rankings don't include transfers. Paschall, probably the 2nd most valuable player for Nova in this tournament, was recruited out of Fordham. He was freshman of the year there, so I'm guessing he was a highly recruited transfer. Seems like these high profile transfers are going to be more and more important for power programs.

Transfers has been our saving grace. Without transfers, we’d be sunk.

[sancho]

Duke comes back from down 23 in the 2nd half to beat Louisville. Dramatic week for basketball fans of good taste.

[sancho]

In the offseason, Gonzaga thought about joining the MWC but chickened out. Now, Gonzaga and Nevada are cruising through their conferences without breaking a sweat. If the Zags had manned up and pulled the trigger, we'd get 2-3 games between those two teams this year. Instead, we get two conference generating zero discussion.

[sancho]

UNC @ Duke tonight. Game of the year, part I. I feel like Zion has to get this one to really be a 1-and-done legend at Duke.

[sancho]

Barack Obama sitting next to Reggie Love at the Game. I had a German class with Reggie. We did a Zoolander sketch in German together. Reggie was a clown, a nice an funny guy. I was shocked when he became the personal assistant to the president of the US.

[sancho]

Never seen this before:

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[DrumNFeather]

That was something...

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[sancho]

Now we have to wait to hear on Zion. He's the rare combination of college basketball's best and most likable player. That doesn't happen often. It takes something special to get people to root for Duke. If he's out for the season, they should just shut basketball down until next year.

[sancho]

Now we have to wait to hear on Zion. He's the rare combination of college basketball's best and most likable player. That doesn't happen often. It takes something special to get people to root for Duke. If he's out for the season, they should just shut basketball down until next year.

Knee sprain. Thank goodness.

[sancho]

UNC @ Duke tonight. Game of the year, part I. I feel like Zion has to get this one to really be a 1-and-done legend at Duke.

Well, here we go again. Duke vs UNC, this time with Zion. The Heels have a chance to erase the asterisk. Zion has a chance to become an all-time great for Duke.

Duke is a very interesting team this season. In an era of three point shooting, they rely on driving and an inside game. They don't shoot well as a team but are trying to overcome that with a lot of twos. I don't think they get past the sweet 16. Some team will get hot, and Duke will end up trading twos for threes in a loss. Oh, and way too much of their scoring comes from just two players.

[sancho]

LSU reinstates Wade. I remain skeptical that anything will happen to any of the coaches/programs that cheated in college basketball.

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