PAC-12 hoops in 2017-2018

[U-Ute]

Cal loses to Chaminade in the Maui Classic. By 25.

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[Applejack]

Cal loses to Chaminade in the Maui Classic. By 25.

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Looks like call has some shooters this year.

[chrisrenrut]

Arizona loses to NC State. Utah may have the best wins in the PAC-12 so far this year, aside from UCLA beating Wisconsin yesterday.

[UtahsMrSports]

Looks like call has some shooters this year.

Chaminade clearly defends the free throw line as well as anyone I've seen

[Old Standing ute]

Wazzu beats St. Marys. ??

Az St has beaten SDSU, K St. & Xavier. Bobbie Hurley has it going---he needs to move back east/

[sancho]

Wazzu beats St. Marys. ??

Az St has beaten SDSU, K St. & Xavier. Bobbie Hurley has it going---he needs to move back east/

St Mary's went down to UGA today. Maybe the Gaels are not as good as expected.

If Hurley keeps this up, he'll have his chance to move back east soon enough.

[sancho]

Oregon loses at home to Boise St. Hee hee.

[sancho]

Oregon loses at home to Boise St. Hee hee.

USC loses @ SMU. Hee hee.

Zona and UNLV are in OT right now. Go rebels.

[Old Standing ute]

LaVar Ball pulls his son LiAngelo out of UCLA??

So what does the kid do now??

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

LaVar Ball pulls his son LiAngelo out of UCLA??

So what does the kid do now??

Enrollment at the Big Baller International Institute of Home Schoolers just doubled! Almost have enough for a basketball team.

Also, Lakers trying to keep LaVar off cameras while in the Staples. http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/36988640/los-angeles-lakers-to-enforce-so-called-lavar-ball-rule

[tooblue]

Enrollment at the Big Baller International Institute of Home Schoolers just doubled! Almost have enough for a basketball team

Also, Lakers trying to keep LaVar off cameras while in the Staples. http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/36988640/los-angeles-lakers-to-enforce-so-called-lavar-ball-rule

$5 says he ends up at 2nd ... er 4th chance U ... he'll be a Ute.

[concerned]

I will bet UCLA is delighted L Ball is gone. I read somewhere the the boosters, faculty, etc. were disgusted with the shoplifting embarrassment, and with Lavar turning the bb program (and the University) into a reality-tv clown show. Probably just as happy as the high school coach was when Lavar pulled LaMelo a month or two ago.

[Old Standing ute]

Where is LaMelo these days----selling shoes door to door?

And is there a Mrs. LaVar somewhere??

[concerned]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/937816866403229696)More



Ex-UCLA freshman LiAngelo Ball has no chance that he'll be drafted in June — and that was true before his shoplifting incident in China. "He's not on any of our scouting lists — even the extended lists," one GM told ESPN.

[UtahsMrSports]

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/937816866403229696)More



Ex-UCLA freshman LiAngelo Ball has no chance that he'll be drafted in June — and that was true before his shoplifting incident in China. "He's not on any of our scouting lists — even the extended lists," one GM told ESPN.


Sounds like Lavar may try to get them both to play overseas or in the G league at some point. Like you mentioned above, Steve Alford has to be ecstatic right now.

[LA Ute]

Great piece by the great Bill Plaschke:

LiAngeloBall leaving UCLA is the best news Bruins could have gotten (http://e.latimes.com/a/hBaJrSIB8hLWGB9XIsIAAAqAU9D/lat3-2?MD5=8084dc22712b7b999a0be7a406bda924)

[Scorcho]

last night:

Washington defeated #2 Kansas in Kansas City, meanwhile Cal lost at home to Central Arkansas 96-69

our conference RPI:

https://i.imgur.com/jDkwMak.gif

[sancho]

Here's a look at the remaining interesting games for the Pac-12 before conference play starts:

ASU - vs St Johns, @Kansas, and Vandy
Utah - @BYU
UW - Gonzaga
Zona - Bama, UConn
WSU - KState
USC - vs Oklahoma
CU - @ Xavier, vs Iowa
UCLA - @Michigan, Cincinnatti, vs Kentucky
Oregon - none
OSU - none
Stanford - Kansas
Cal - @ SDSU

[SoCalPat]

ASU all the way up to No. 5 in the AP poll. This is what worried me about the Hurley hire -- celebrity coach with cachet, and one of the most desireable cities/climates in the league. If this was a hire that was going to work, it was either in Year 3 or never. It's bad enough that Oregon is rolling with Altman -- ASU is another school that has nowhere near the tradition and success of Utah, but has it going pretty good now, and with a far more sizable obstacle nearby (Zona hoops) than we've ever had in BYU.

[sancho]

ASU all the way up to No. 5 in the AP poll. This is what worried me about the Hurley hire -- celebrity coach with cachet, and one of the most desireable cities/climates in the league. If this was a hire that was going to work, it was either in Year 3 or never. It's bad enough that Oregon is rolling with Altman -- ASU is another school that has nowhere near the tradition and success of Utah, but has it going pretty good now, and with a far more sizable obstacle nearby (Zona hoops) than we've ever had in BYU.

With any luck, Hurley is off to something better after this season.

[justaute]

With any luck, Hurley is off to something better after this season.

I actually want him to stay -- want all the top coaches to stay, so P12 can be a stronger conference.

[sancho]

I actually want him to stay -- want all the top coaches to stay, so P12 can be a stronger conference.

Being in a strong conference is great...if you are a top program. If you are fighting to become a top program, it's great to have some teams to not worry about.

A shark doesn't mind if other sharks are around, the other fish sure do.

[Scorcho]

Being in a strong conference is great...if you are a top program. If you are fighting to become a top program, it's great to have some teams to not worry about.

A shark doesn't mind if other sharks are around, the other fish sure do.

imagine Majerus as coach at the U with Utah in the PAC-12 that would have been unbelievable

[SoCalPat]

With any luck, Hurley is off to something better after this season.

You gotta think he's now the front-runner from outside the program to succeed Coach K at Duke, or at least rising fast on short lists that matter. And other schools know that too, which will make them hesitant to hire him. He's either fired, at ASU for the next decade-plus or his next job is Duke.

[Mormon Red Death]

Cheaters

https://twitter.com/SteveMims_RG/status/943920270393278464

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[DrumNFeather]

Portland St. dropped 106 on Oregon St. last night.

[UBlender]

Portland St. dropped 106 on Oregon St. last night.

That was Cal. Instead, Oregon State lost to Kent State by a point.

[DrumNFeather]

That was Cal. Instead, Oregon State lost to Kent State by a point.That's what I meant...dang it.

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[chrisrenrut]

The three UCLA players caught shoplifting in China will not play at all this season. The Ball kid is gone, and the other two players suspension has been change from indefinite to the full season.

[justaute]

UCLA upsets #7 Kentucky, 83-75.
http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/120378/beating-kentucky-changes-the-narrative-for-ucla

[DrumNFeather]

Pac 12 play starts off with a bang this weekend as ASU travels to Arizona.

Here's the rest of the slate:

ASU @ Arizona
Cal @ Stanford
Oregon/Oregon St. vs. Utah/Colorado
Washington/WSU vs. USC/UCLA

[DrumNFeather]

Great battle between Arizona and ASU. Bobby Hurley lost his voice about halfway through the 2nd half according to the sideline reporter.

Arizona held on to win...but what a tough out these two squads will be.

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[DrumNFeather]

This week in the Pac 12:

Oregon and OSU battle as well as Washington and Wazzu.

Arizona and ASU hit the road to Utah and Colorado (big week for the Utes if they could steal one of these two).

USC and UCLA head up to Cal and Stanford.

After one week, here's the +/- for road wins/home losses:

Utah +2
Cal +1
Washington +1
UCLA 0
Arizona 0
ASU 0
Colorado 0
WSU 0
Oregon -1
OSU -1
USC -1
Stanford -1

[U-Ute]

Chimezie Metu suspended for a half for his punch.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-metu-suspension-20180101-story.html

947657805028384768

[LA Ute]

Chimezie Metu suspended for a half for his punch.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-metu-suspension-20180101-story.html

947657805028384768

I’m pretty sure the other player scratched Metu’s neck and provoked him to punch back in self-defense. You’re a wuss and a crybaby if say another word about this.

😉

[U-Ute]

I’m pretty sure the other player scratched Metu’s neck and provoked him to punch back in self-defense. You’re a wuss and a crybaby if say another word about this.




:larry:

[DrumNFeather]

Buffs lead ASU by 3 at the under 8 minute time out.

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[DrumNFeather]

Results:

Arizona wins on the road +1
Utah loses at home -1
CU wins at home 0
ASU loses on the road 0
Stanford wins at home 0
UCLA loses on the road 0
USC wins on the road +1
Cal loses at home -1

ASU could be 0-3 after this weekend. We should really help them get there.

[DrumNFeather]

Also, barring a significant upset, Arizona is probably going to be undefeated well into the double digits looking at their schedule.

[DrumNFeather]

Also, barring a significant upset, Arizona is probably going to be undefeated well into the double digits looking at their schedule.This post hasn't aged well...

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[The Thrill]

Winning on the road is always important.
I build a program to track road conference wins and home losses.
+1 for road win, -1 for home loss

Here are the current standings.



Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+1
(3-1)
UCLA
(1-1)
(2-0)


+1
(2-1)
Utah
(2-0)
(0-1)


0
(2-1)
USC
(1-0)
(1-1)


+2
(2-1)
Washington
(2-1)
(0-0)


+1
(2-1)
Arizona
(1-1)
(1-0)


-1
(2-1)
Oregon State
(0-0)
(2-1)


0
(2-2)
Colorado
(0-2)
(2-0)


-1
(1-1)
Stanford
(0-0)
(1-1)


-1
(1-2)
California
(1-0)
(0-2)


-1
(1-2)
Oregon
(0-1)
(1-1)


0
(0-2)
Arizona State
(0-2)
(0-0)


-1
(0-3)
Washington State
(0-2)
(0-1)

[DrumNFeather]

This will put my measly spreadsheet to shame, I fear.

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[The Thrill]

Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+1
(3-1)
UCLA
(1-1)
(2-0)


+2
(2-1)
Washington
(2-1)
(0-0)


+1
(2-1)
Arizona
(1-1)
(1-0)


-1
(2-1)
Oregon State
(0-0)
(2-1)


-1
(2-1)
Stanford
(0-0)
(2-1)


0
(2-2)
Utah
(2-0)
(0-2)


0
(2-2)
USC
(1-1)
(1-1)


0
(2-2)
Colorado
(0-2)
(2-0)


-1
(1-2)
California
(1-0)
(0-2)


+1
(1-2)
Arizona State
(1-2)
(0-0)


-1
(1-2)
Oregon
(0-1)
(1-1)


-1
(0-3)
Washington State
(0-2)
(0-1)

[DrumNFeather]

This week in Pac 12 Hoops:

Utah/Colorado @ USC/UCLA
Oregon/Oregon St. @ Arizona/Arizona St.
Cal/Stanford @ Washington/Washington St.

[DrumNFeather]

USC handled Colorado pretty easily last night, pulling away in the second half. Metu finished with 6 blocks, so he should have a field day against our bigs. Andy Enfield took a timeout late in the game for no other reason than to stick it in Boyle's face after his comments about USC and Arizona and the FBI investigation. In the handshake line, he didn't say anything to Boyle, just walked through with a massive sh!t-eating smile on his face and kept going. At least one USC player refused to shake Boyle's hand. What a pack of losers.

Edit - here's an article from yahoo: https://sports.yahoo.com/uscs-needless-late-timeout-andy-enfields-way-getting-revenge-tad-boyle-070025862.html

[Mormon Red Death]

USC handled Colorado pretty easily last night, pulling away in the second half. Metu finished with 6 blocks, so he should have a field day against our bigs. Andy Enfield took a timeout late in the game for no other reason than to stick it in Boyle's face after his comments about USC and Arizona and the FBI investigation. In the handshake line, he didn't say anything to Boyle, just walked through with a massive sh!t-eating smile on his face and kept going. At least one USC player refused to shake Boyle's hand. What a pack of losers.

Edit - here's an article from yahoo: https://sports.yahoo.com/uscs-needless-late-timeout-andy-enfields-way-getting-revenge-tad-boyle-070025862.html

Give me a break Miller and enfield... everyone know you two are top of the line bag droppers.

[LA Ute]

Give me a break Miller and enfield... everyone know you two are top of the line bag droppers.

No, no. All those 4 and 5 star recruits suddenly started flowing to USC because of Enfield’s brilliance as a recruiter. Get with the program, buddy! Fight on!

[DrumNFeather]

This week in Pac 12 Hoops:

Utah/Colorado @ USC/UCLA
Oregon/Oregon St. @ Arizona/Arizona St.
Cal/Stanford @ Washington/Washington St.

Road teams go 1-5 to start the weekend, the lone win being Oregon over ASU.

[concerned]

Road teams go 1-5 to start the weekend, the lone win being Oregon over ASU.

How in the world did we beat Oregon?

[Mormon Red Death]

Road teams go 1-5 to start the weekend, the lone win being Oregon over ASU.

Stanford
won at Wazzu

[DrumNFeather]

Stanford
won at Wazzu

2-4!

[Mormon Red Death]

So ucla shoots the lights out against us but can't hit anything vs Colorado and loses

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[Mormon Red Death]

Stanford also wins

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[The Thrill]

Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+1
(4-1)
Stanford
(2-0)
(2-1)


+1
(4-1)
Arizona
(1-1)
(3-0)


0
(4-2)
UCLA
(1-1)
(3-1)


0
(4-2)
USC
(1-1)
(3-1)


+1
(3-2)
Washington
(2-1)
(1-1)


+1
(3-3)
Colorado
(1-3)
(2-0)


0
(2-3)
Arizona State
(1-2)
(1-1)


0
(2-3)
Oregon
(1-2)
(1-1)


-1
(2-3)
Oregon State
(0-2)
(2-1)


0
(2-4)
Utah
(2-2)
(0-2)


-1
(1-4)
California
(1-2)
(0-2)


-2
(1-4)
Washington State
(0-2)
(1-2)

[DrumNFeather]

Games this week:

Arizona/ASU @ Cal/Stanford
UCLA/USC @ Oregon/OSU
Wash/Wazzu @ Utah/Colorado

After this week, there are only two weekends where all teams will be playing both games of the weekend (Games 13-14, 17-18).

[DrumNFeather]

Arizona @ Stanford tied with 6 to go. Sounds like there are more Zona fans in Palo Alto than Cards fans.Those Arizona chants are loud.

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[DrumNFeather]

Tough loss for Stanford. Arizona takes over first place.

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[Mormon Red Death]

Those Arizona chants are loud.

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[Mormon Red Death]

So with the usc wins and assuming big favorites, asu wins in berkley and utah a 10.5 point favorite wins tomorrow. The standings at the ~midpoint would be
Az 6-1
Usc 6-2
Stan 5-2
Ucla 4-4
Wash 4-4
Utah 4-4 or 3-5 (vs wazzu)
Colorado 4-4
Oregon st 3-4
Oregon 3-4
Asu 3-4
Cal 1-6
Wazzu 1-6 or 2-5 (vs Utah)

Second half of season thoughts:
Stan loses 6 of their last 9.

If Utah wins in Tempe they can get 4th seed

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[The Thrill]

Road warriors of the Pac12



Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+3
(6-1)
Arizona
(3-1)
(3-0)


+2
(6-2)
USC
(3-1)
(3-1)


0
(5-2)
Stanford
(2-0)
(3-2)


+2
(4-3)
Washington
(3-2)
(1-1)


0
(4-4)
Utah
(2-2)
(2-2)


0
(4-4)
UCLA
(1-3)
(3-1)


0
(4-4)
Colorado
(1-3)
(3-1)


+1
(3-4)
Arizona State
(2-3)
(1-1)


-1
(3-4)
Oregon
(1-2)
(2-2)


-2
(3-4)
Oregon State
(0-2)
(3-2)


-3
(1-6)
California
(1-2)
(0-4)


-2
(1-6)
Washington State
(0-4)
(1-2)


* +1 for road win
* -1 for home loss

[DrumNFeather]

So, the conference may not be good, but at least it's interesting.

We have UW, Utah, UCLA, CU, ASU, Oregon, and OSU all in the 3-4, 4-3, 4-4 camp. That's gotta get resolved somehow. We have Stanford at 5-2 with the best wins outside of Zona, but they've only played two on the road. We have USC in 2nd place, but they haven't exactly convinced anyone.

All we really know is that Arizona is on top, and Cal/WSU are not good. Pretty interesting situation this far into the season.

We seem to have a similar problem in football. Because there is not one dominant team, and seemingly some balance, the conference gets the not good label. Not sure that's what it is, but you're right, we'll see some separation over the second half of the conference season. I tend to think that Stanford comes back to earth a little, and ASU will probably end up in the top four, but Stanford seems like a team built to make a run in the conference tourney.

Games this week:

Utah/Colorado @ Arizona/ASU
Cal/Stanford @ USC/UCLA
Wazzu @ Washington
OSU @ Oregon

[Mormon Red Death]

So, the conference may not be good, but at least it's interesting. We have UW, Utah, UCLA, CU, ASU, Oregon, and OSU all in the 3-4, 4-3, 4-4 camp. That's gotta get resolved somehow. We have Stanford at 5-2 with the best wins outside of Zona, but they've only played two on the road. We have USC in 2nd place, but they haven't exactly convinced anyone. All we really know is that Arizona is on top, and Cal/WSU are not good. Pretty interesting situation this far into the season.Stanford has only played 2 conf road games (the Washingtons). They also hit a 3/4 of court shot to beat USC. They are a prime candidate to lose 6 of their last 9.@Socal this week - oregons @ home @ mountain schools @ Cal Wash @ home @arizona schools

[DrumNFeather]

Utes have a real shot to make a big time move in the second half off the conference schedule. After this week, they've got 5 of their last 7 at home and their lone road swing is the Washington schools.

Conversely, both USC and UCLA have tough road trips in the second half of the season (Arizona schools and Mountain schools). Likewise, Stanford has a 5-4 road/home split after this week having to go to the Arizona schools and the mountain schools as well.

The Oregon schools have a 4-4 home/road split down the stretch, but host the Arizona schools.

ASU will have 5 of 7 at home after this week and will also look to make a big push. Should be interesting.

If the Utes could somehow manage to get a win in Boulder this week, things could get real interesting.

[U-Ute]

Utes have a real shot to make a big time move in the second half off the conference schedule. After this week, they've got 5 of their last 7 at home and their lone road swing is the Washington schools.

Conversely, both USC and UCLA have tough road trips in the second half of the season (Arizona schools and Mountain schools). Likewise, Stanford has a 5-4 road/home split after this week having to go to the Arizona schools and the mountain schools as well.

The Oregon schools have a 4-4 home/road split down the stretch, but host the Arizona schools.

ASU will have 5 of 7 at home after this week and will also look to make a big push. Should be interesting.

If the Utes could somehow manage to get a win in Boulder this week, things could get real interesting.

Utes need to:

* Split with Colorado
* Win 3 of 4 at home against Stanford/Cal/USC/UCLA
* Split Washington/Wazzu

I have a good feeling that we can split (if not sweep) the Washington roadie, which is good because I don't have a good feeling about the USC/UCLA home stand. Any home losses need to be made up for on the road. I admit I don't know squat about Stanford or Cal. Glad we have them at home. We have owned Stanford here. Cal has always been a tough matchup because of size and similarities, but I don't know how things have changed since Monty left.

If we can go 5-3 in the last 8, that should push us close to being in the top 1/3 of the league. It probably means we end up in the 4/5 game, but as long as it isn't against Colorado or Oregon, I like our chances to getting to the second round of the tournament. If we do that, I think we give ourselves a chance of squeaking into the NCAA.

[Scorcho]

Pac-12 considering a 20 game conference schedule. Yes, please.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/30/pac-12-basketball-the-case-for-expanding-the-conference-schedule-why-play-18-when-20-makes-so-much-more-sense/

Just make it 22 and a true round robin.

the two extra conference games would be played in the middle of December

buh bye LHM Beehive Round Robin Bruhaha or whatever that thing was called!

[DrumNFeather]

They should let the travel partners play a home and home in the same weekend. Thursday @ Coloradao, Sunday @ Utah. Badabing badaboom, free up another weekend.

[UtahsMrSports]

They should let the travel partners play a home and home in the same weekend. Thursday @ Coloradao, Sunday @ Utah. Badabing badaboom, free up another weekend.

This is how the women's side has done it every year outside of the first year of Pac-12 play. Makes a ton of sense to me.

[DrumNFeather]

This is how the women's side has done it every year outside of the first year of Pac-12 play. Makes a ton of sense to me.

DNF for Pac 12 Commish!

Ok fine...DNF for Pac 12 Scheduling Czar!

[The Thrill]

Road
TEAM
Road
Home


+4
Arizona
(4-1)
(5-0)


+2
USC
(3-1)
(5-1)


+2
Washington
(3-2)
(3-1)


0
Stanford
(2-2)
(4-2)


0
UCLA
(1-3)
(5-1)


0
Oregon
(2-2)
(3-2)


+1
Utah
(3-3)
(2-2)


0
Arizona State
(2-4)
(2-2)


0
Colorado
(1-5)
(3-1)


-2
Oregon State
(0-4)
(3-2)


-3
Washington State
(0-5)
(1-3)


-4
California
(1-4)
(0-5)

[DrumNFeather]

The three seed in Vegas is up for grabs, and there are 5-6 teams in the running. That's what's at stake for Utah tonight.

Yep. Would be really nice to get into the group of 6 win teams at this point.

ASU's path to the dance is getting harder and harder.

[Scorcho]

That 3 seed is a real prize because all of the teams involved (except ASU) need to win the tournament in Vegas in order to dance in March. The 2/3 seeds have the best chance at not having to play Arizona.

still too early to predict that, I think UW and Utah and a couple of others can still play their way in without winning the tournament

[Mormon Red Death]

I think we can safely say that zona is going win the league and wazzu, cal and osu are going to be 10-12
At the end of the weekend usc is 8-3 stan & ucla 7-4 wash 7-4, oregon 5-5 Colo utah and asu 5-6

Oregon plays wash schools twice, at socal home vs ariz schools. I bet they 4-4 so 9-9 for year

Stanford is @ mtn schools, at cal, wash at home at zonas I think they 4-3 and get 11-7

Ucla is @ arizs home vs ore @ mtn @ usc i think they go 3-4 so 10-8

Wash is @ Oregon's mtn @ home @ no cal oregons at home 4-4 to be 11-7

Since we are 5-6 here's my prediction depending on wins
7-0 3rd place
6-1 4th place (assuming loss isn't to Stanford)
5-2 Maybe 5th
4-3 6 or 7th

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[DrumNFeather]

UW. Wow. Last second shot blocked, rebound, new last second shot goes in for the win.

Funny to think of Romar on the Zona bench thinking about how much better UW's new coach is.

Nice win for our resume!

This upcoming week will be interesting. 4 of the top 5 teams in the league are on the road, and the next four that are lurking are all at home.

[The Thrill]

Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+3
(9-3)
Arizona
(4-2)
(5-1)


+2
(8-4)
USC
(3-3)
(5-1)


+1
(8-4)
UCLA
(2-3)
(6-1)


+2
(7-4)
Washington
(3-3)
(4-1)


0
(7-5)
Stanford
(2-3)
(5-2)


0
(6-5)
Oregon
(2-3)
(4-2)


+1
(6-6)
Utah
(3-4)
(3-2)


+1
(6-6)
Arizona State
(3-4)
(3-2)


0
(6-6)
Colorado
(1-5)
(5-1)


-2
(4-7)
Oregon State
(0-5)
(4-2)


-4
(2-10)
California
(1-5)
(1-5)


-4
(1-10)
Washington State
(0-6)
(1-4)

[sancho]

Do we finally have separation between a tier 1 (Zona, UCLA, USC, UW) and tier 2 (Stanford, Oregon, Utah, ASU, CU)?

At least two more losses this week to teams either ahead of us or tied with us.

[The Thrill]

Stanford vs Colorado is a huge game
Stanford wins they're in 2nd, they lose they drop to 8th.

If Colorado wins and all other home teams (all favorites) win:



Pac12
TEAM


(10-3)
Arizona


(8-5)
USC


(8-5)
UCLA


(7-5)
Washington


(7-5)
Oregon


(7-6)
Utah


(7-6)
Arizona State


(7-6)
Stanford


(7-6)
Colorado


(5-7)
Oregon State


(2-11)
California


(1-11)
Washington State



If Stanford wins and all other home teams (all favorites) win


Pac12
TEAM


(10-3)
Arizona


(8-5)
Stanford


(8-5)
USC


(8-5)
UCLA


(7-5)
Washington


(7-5)
Oregon


(7-6)
Utah


(7-6)
Arizona State


(6-7)
Colorado


(5-7)
Oregon State


(2-11)
California


(1-11)
Washington State

[Mormon Red Death]

You know what is interesting. If we win our last 5 we end up in 2nd place. We play pretty much everyone in front of us and are 1 game back. The others Oregon and Stanford that are above us have tough roads.

Oregon is at the socal schools. Zona schools at home then at wash.

Stanford still has Colorado, cal, wash at home then at zona schools

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[sancho]

After choking on two FTs at the end of regulation, Thompson once again hits a game winning three. Beavers beat Huskies in 2OT.

UW on two-game losing streak. They will be very motivated in Seattle this week. Tough timing for us.

[sancho]

There are 8 teams within a game of each other.

Someone out of USC, UCLA, Utah, Oregon, Stanford, CU, ASU, and UW will finish 2nd, and someone will finish 9th. One bad call, one poor decision, one turnover, one lucky banked in three pointer could win or cost your team a number of seeds in the tournament.

[The Thrill]

Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


(14-4)
Arizona
(6-3)
(8-1)


(12-6)
Arizona State
(5-4)
(7-2)


(12-6)
Washington
(4-5)
(8-1)


(11-7)
Utah
(4-5)
(7-2)


(11-7)
USC
(3-6)
(8-1)


(10-8)
Stanford
(3-6)
(7-2)


(10-8)
UCLA
(2-7)
(8-1)


(10-8)
Colorado
(2-7)
(8-1)


(8-10)
Oregon
(3-6)
(5-4)


(5-13)
Oregon State
(0-9)
(5-4)


(3-15)
California
(1-8)
(2-7)


(2-16)
Washington State
(0-9)
(2-7)





THIS WEEK





Arizona State
86
Arizona
81


Washington
78
Utah
72


USC
83
Oregon
75


Colorado
75
Washington State
72


UCLA
84
Oregon State
73


Washington
78
Colorado
70


Utah
77
Washington State
71


UCLA
85
Oregon
77


USC
83
Oregon State
71


Stanford
74
California
70


NEXT WEEK





Colorado
77
USC
75


Arizona
81
Oregon State
75


Stanford
76
Washington
74


Utah
80
UCLA
77


California
74
Washington State
69


Arizona State
83
Oregon
81


Utah
78
USC
75


Washington
76
California
69


Stanford
81
Washington State
68


Arizona State
82
Oregon State
77


Arizona
81
Oregon
79


Colorado
78
UCLA
77


FINAL WEEK





Arizona State
87
California
68


Oregon
78
Washington State
75


Arizona
84
Stanford
73


Washington
81
Oregon State
69


Arizona State
85
Stanford
74


Arizona
85
California
66


Washington
81
Oregon
73


Washington State
74
Oregon State
74


Utah
77
Colorado
70


USC
83
UCLA
78

[SeattleUte]

MRD, I owe you $100. Please board mail me your address.

[SeattleUte]

I am very glad I lost the bet.

[Mormon Red Death]

I am very glad I lost the bet.


Board mail sent

[SoCalPat]

Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


(14-4)
Arizona
(6-3)
(8-1)


(12-6)
Arizona State
(5-4)
(7-2)


(12-6)
Washington
(4-5)
(8-1)


(11-7)
Utah
(4-5)
(7-2)


(11-7)
USC
(3-6)
(8-1)


(10-8)
Stanford
(3-6)
(7-2)


(10-8)
UCLA
(2-7)
(8-1)


(10-8)
Colorado
(2-7)
(8-1)


(8-10)
Oregon
(3-6)
(5-4)


(5-13)
Oregon State
(0-9)
(5-4)


(3-15)
California
(1-8)
(2-7)


(2-16)
Washington State
(0-9)
(2-7)




So who wins the tiebreaker for 4th in Vegas, assuming Utah gets to this mark by splitting its games with USC?

[SoCalPat]

Bracketology has five Pac-12 teams in, although the SoCal schools are relegated to play-in games, and UW is one of the last four with byes.

Utah in the Next Four out.

I suspect if Utah gets in, it's at the expense of another Pac-12 team. The good news is we play all three of the aforementioned teams before season's end. In fact, I'll say right now a Utah-UCLA matchup in Vegas is an elimination game for the NCAAs (provided we beat UCLA in SLC). And being among the last four in is a precipitous place to be in. I'll say the league gets four bids.

[sancho]

I just don't have the same optimism that the rest of y'all seem to have. We have 4/5 remaining games against teams that are even with us. We need to win 4/5 of those.

If USC, UCLA, UW, and CU are a coin toss, and WSU is 80%, we have (.5)(.5)(.5)(.5)(.8) = 5% chance of winning out.

We've been good on the road twice (ASU and Oregon), and we've been awful three times (USC, UCLA, and CU). I'm not sure how UW has been good this season. On paper, they're not much. That's a winnable game in Seattle, but it's also a game we could lose by 20.

UCLA and USC beat us so badly in SoCal that I have a hard time thinking we will beat them both in SLC. I know the shots seems to fall for us in SLC, but it's hard for me to get over those blowouts. Plus, they both have outside shooting big men, which is tough for us to handle.

Anyway, the hope is alive! There is a path to the dance.

[DrumNFeather]

Bracketology has five Pac-12 teams in, although the SoCal schools are relegated to play-in games, and UW is one of the last four with byes.

Utah in the Next Four out.

I suspect if Utah gets in, it's at the expense of another Pac-12 team. The good news is we play all three of the aforementioned teams before season's end. In fact, I'll say right now a Utah-UCLA matchup in Vegas is an elimination game for the NCAAs (provided we beat UCLA in SLC). And being among the last four in is a precipitous place to be in. I'll say the league gets four bids.

I watched the CBS projection that took the top 16 teams and Jerry Palm expanded on that. He had ASU in as a 10 seed. I don't think they are on very solid ground though at the moment. Now, a win over Arizona this week probably puts them in, but just looking at their schedule, they still have games they could drop down the stretch here. I don't see them getting to the 12-6 mark as noted above.

[DrumNFeather]

So who wins the tiebreaker for 4th in Vegas, assuming Utah gets to this mark by splitting its games with USC?

After head to head, I think it goes record vs. the top team(s) in the league until someone gets the advantage, so in the event that we split with USC, and the standings are what they are, I think we'd take the tiebreaker by virtue of the win over ASU.

[sancho]

If USC, UCLA, UW, and CU are a coin toss, and WSU is 80%, we have (.5)(.5)(.5)(.5)(.8) = 5% chance of winning out.


ESPN's "matchup predictor" gives us a 48.7% chance in Seattle.

78.2% @ WSU
61.3% vs UCLA
57.2% vs USC
81.2% vs CU

So ESPN gives us a 10% chance of winning out. That's not bad!

[sancho]

Justin Bibbins is:

18th in the Pac-12 in ppg
4th in apg
6th in FT%
2nd in 3FG per game
1st in 3FG%
3rd in assist to turnover ratio
10th in mpg

Which all-conference team does he belong on?

I think there are 6 locks for 1st team: Ayton, Holiday, Trier, Holder, Travis, and Tinkle.

After that, you have other guards: Bibbins, Evans, Thompson, Wright. Other bigs: Welsh, Dickerson, Metu, Boatwright.

That's 8 possibilities for 4 open spots. I think Bibbins is on the cusp.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

It's just amazing. When they announced that he was joining the team, I really didn't think he'd be able to be effective game in and game out in the Pac-12. Now he's probably my favorite player on this team. So glad that he's having so much success.


Justin Bibbins is:

18th in the Pac-12 in ppg
4th in apg
6th in FT%
2nd in 3FG per game
1st in 3FG%
3rd in assist to turnover ratio
10th in mpg

Which all-conference team does he belong on?

I think there are 6 locks for 1st team: Ayton, Holiday, Trier, Holder, Travis, and Tinkle.

After that, you have other guards: Bibbins, Evans, Thompson, Wright. Other bigs: Welsh, Dickerson, Metu, Boatwright.

That's 8 possibilities for 4 open spots. I think Bibbins is on the cusp.

[Scorcho]

It's just amazing. When they announced that he was joining the team, I really didn't think he'd be able to be effective game in and game out in the Pac-12. Now he's probably my favorite player on this team. So glad that he's having so much success.

and he seems to be getting smaller. Early in the year the TV announcers commented that he was just 5'11", against CAL he was down to 5'8"

[sancho]

Now two games of separation between #2 and #9.

Utah controls its destiny as far as first round bye goes.

I assume ucla beats us in a tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona.

[DrumNFeather]

Now two games of separation between #2 and #9.

Utah controls its destiny as far as first round bye goes.

I assume ucla beats us in a tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona.

The results last night were very good for the Utes, and we are now positioned to make a major move in the league, if we can just keep winning. If the Utes were to sweep UCLA and USC at home next week (assuming beating WSU on Saturday), then at least one of those teams is a lock for 7 loses (b/c they play each other the last game of the year). If we end up in a tie with UCLA, yes, they'd take the tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona. With USC, it is much more cloudy right now their best wins are a sweep over Oregon. Our wins over Washington may trump those in a tiebreaker, but it will all depend on how those teams end up in the standings. They play the last game of the year. Should be an interesting stretch.

[sancho]

The results last night were very good for the Utes, and we are now positioned to make a major move in the league, if we can just keep winning. If the Utes were to sweep UCLA and USC at home next week (assuming beating WSU on Saturday), then at least one of those teams is a lock for 7 loses (b/c they play each other the last game of the year). If we end up in a tie with UCLA, yes, they'd take the tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona. With USC, it is much more cloudy right now their best wins are a sweep over Oregon. Our wins over Washington may trump those in a tiebreaker, but it will all depend on how those teams end up in the standings. They play the last game of the year. Should be an interesting stretch.


Big 4 game stretch for us. Here's what's on the line:

1) The NCAA tournament.
2) We can play our way to AT LEAST a 3-seed in Vegas. There's no real difference between a 2 and 3 seed - both would open against good teams, and both would avoid Arizona for as long as possible.
3) 1st team all conference for Justin Bibbins
4) COY for Coach K. Utes were picked 7th in the preseason poll. UW was picked 10th. ASU was picked 6th. Is any other coach in the running?
5) Revenge. We lost by a combined 58 points to UCLA, USC, and CU this season.

[DrumNFeather]

Big 4 game stretch for us. Here's what's on the line:

1) The NCAA tournament.
2) We can play our way to AT LEAST a 3-seed in Vegas. There's no real difference between a 2 and 3 seed - both would open against good teams, and both would avoid Arizona for as long as possible.
3) 1st team all conference for Justin Bibbins
4) COY for Coach K. Utes were picked 7th in the preseason poll. UW was picked 10th. ASU was picked 6th. Is any other coach in the running?
5) Revenge. We lost by a combined 58 points to UCLA, USC, and CU this season.

Well, if you are in the east there is a big difference...I think the 3/6 game tips at midnight eastern!

Agree though, should be a fun stretch...please please please take care of business at WSU.

I know the tournament committee doesn't really look at last 10 anymore, but if the Utes could somehow go into Vegas having won 7 in a row, that'd be something, certainly not nothing.

[sancho]

I know the tournament committee doesn't really look at last 10 anymore, but if the Utes could somehow go into Vegas having won 7 in a row, that'd be something, certainly not nothing.

I follow a guy on Twitter, Jerry Palm, who insists that the NCAA basketball selection committee is the only group of humans ever assembled that can operate completely free of any bias. "They don't even know what conference a team belongs to." "The name on the jersey might as well be invisible." That kind of crap. I don't really know why I'm still following this guy.

Anyway, the committee may not officially look at last 10 anymore, but it's there. They can't unknow what they know.

[DrumNFeather]

USC's Bennie Boatwright is out for the rest of the season.

[The Thrill]

Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+4
(11-3)
Arizona
(5-2)
(6-1)


+2
(9-5)
USC
(3-4)
(6-1)


+1
(9-5)
UCLA
(2-4)
(7-1)


+2
(8-6)
Utah
(4-4)
(4-2)


0
(7-6)
Stanford
(2-4)
(5-2)


+1
(7-6)
Washington
(3-4)
(4-2)


0
(7-6)
Oregon
(2-4)
(5-2)


0
(7-7)
Arizona State
(3-4)
(4-3)


0
(7-7)
Colorado
(1-6)
(6-1)


-2
(5-8)
Oregon State
(0-6)
(5-2)


-4
(2-11)
California
(1-6)
(1-5)


-4
(2-11)
Washington State
(0-7)
(2-4)

[Mormon Red Death]

So ucla and usc are 10-5 and they play mtn schools and @usc. We end up second if we win out and one of them gets swept in the mountains but wins the game at usc.

If we end up tied with ucla they win the tiebreaker via there win at az. If we end up tied with USC because of our wash sweep or stanford win we probably win that tiebreaker (assuming we beat them on Saturday)

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[The Thrill]

Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+4
(11-3)
Arizona
(5-2)
(6-1)


+2
(10-5)
USC
(3-4)
(7-1)


+1
(10-5)
UCLA
(2-4)
(8-1)


+3
(9-6)
Utah
(5-4)
(4-2)


+1
(8-6)
Washington
(3-4)
(5-2)


+1
(8-6)
Stanford
(3-4)
(5-2)


0
(7-7)
Arizona State
(3-4)
(4-3)


0
(7-7)
Oregon
(2-5)
(5-2)


0
(7-8)
Colorado
(1-7)
(6-1)


-2
(5-9)
Oregon State
(0-7)
(5-2)


-5
(2-12)
California
(1-6)
(1-6)


-5
(2-12)
Washington State
(0-7)
(2-5)



Assuming Stanford beats California today.

[SoCalPat]

Road
Pac12
TEAM
Road
Home


+4
(11-3)
Arizona
(5-2)
(6-1)


+2
(10-5)
USC
(3-4)
(7-1)


+1
(10-5)
UCLA
(2-4)
(8-1)


+3
(9-6)
Utah
(5-4)
(4-2)


+1
(8-6)
Washington
(3-4)
(5-2)


+1
(8-6)
Stanford
(3-4)
(5-2)


0
(7-7)
Arizona State
(3-4)
(4-3)


0
(7-7)
Oregon
(2-5)
(5-2)


0
(7-8)
Colorado
(1-7)
(6-1)


-2
(5-9)
Oregon State
(0-7)
(5-2)


-5
(2-12)
California
(1-6)
(1-6)


-5
(2-12)
Washington State
(0-7)
(2-5)



Assuming Stanford beats California today.

Our second favorite team this week is Colorado. All the other games this week might as well be played on Mars.

[sancho]

Our second favorite team this week is Colorado. All the other games this week might as well be played on Mars.

To bad Usc plays Cu on Wednesday. Trojans get an extra day off. But at least we get to watch.

[DrumNFeather]

Our second favorite team this week is Colorado. All the other games this week might as well be played on Mars.

I suppose the only caveat to this is that if we take care of business, we will be interested in seeing who falls into the 7/6 spot. My sense is that even though we hold a victory over them, we'd probably want to avoid Oregon in a potential 7/2 or 6/3 tilt, and possibly ASU as well. Stanford/Washington is a big game for both squads, but particularly for the Cardinal as they are likely to finish the season 0-2 after their trip to the Arizona schools.

[sancho]

I suppose the only caveat to this is that if we take care of business, we will be interested in seeing who falls into the 7/6 spot. My sense is that even though we hold a victory over them, we'd probably want to avoid Oregon in a potential 7/2 or 6/3 tilt, and possibly ASU as well. Stanford/Washington is a big game for both squads, but particularly for the Cardinal as they are likely to finish the season 0-2 after their trip to the Arizona schools.

Agreed. Even though UCLA, USC, Utah, CU, Oregon, ASU, UW, and Stanford are even in the standings, they are not even in how much they scare me!

Oregon in particular is playing better than they were when we were in Eugene.

This all illustrates how long our odds still are. Not only do we have to win out, we need to win one in Vegas too. All against teams more or less even with us.

[DrumNFeather]

Agreed. Even though UCLA, USC, Utah, CU, Oregon, ASU, UW, and Stanford are even in the standings, they are not even in how much they scare me!

Oregon in particular is playing better than they were when we were in Eugene.

This all illustrates how long our odds still are. Not only do we have to win out, we need to win one in Vegas too. All against teams more or less even with us.

It's going to be an exciting fight to the finish here. So many of the teams bunched up in the middle play each other in the final 3 or 4 games of the season. Hey, even Cal and Wazzu square off to determine the #12 and #11 seeds, respectively.

[LA Ute]

One month ago, who'd a-thunk we'd have an exciting end to the regular season?

[Two Utes]

One month ago, who'd a-thunk we'd have an exciting end to the regular season?

I'm really happy about this because I am a big believer in chemistry and having good character kids on your team. While talent is more important than anything, these other items are often overlooked. These appear to be a good group of kids who have gotten better. They are easy to cheer for.

it would be awesome if they took second place.

[Mormon Red Death]

One month ago, who'd a-thunk we'd have an exciting end to the regular season?

I did ;)

[LA Ute]

I did ;)

I meant, apart from the geniuses on the board, who foresaw this? :p

[U-Ute]

I meant, apart from the geniuses on the board, who foresaw this? :p

I don't understand this phrase.

[LA Ute]

I don't understand this phrase.

I was giving MRD credit for being a genius.

[SoCalPat]

I'm really happy about this because I am a big believer in chemistry and having good character kids on your team. While talent is more important than anything, these other items are often overlooked. These appear to be a good group of kids who have gotten better. They are easy to cheer for.

it would be awesome if they took second place.

I'm with you on this. I think there are a lot of guys on this team who are really dissatisfied with how their college careers have turned out. Yes, they've earned minutes, put up respectable numbers and garnered individual accolades to varying degrees, but what have they accomplished that's lasting from a team concept? That they can bring up with pride 20 years from now? Really, not a damn thing. And the end of the tunnel is approaching, and they're highly motivated to change that. And they're united in changing that. That's what makes it easy to cheer for them.

I don't even think of scenarios in which this season is a failure. I suppose there are ones that could happen, but I don't even think about that. This team is along the lines of previous great teams in that regard. They're gonna go out and take care of business and they're gonna win. That's the vibe I get from this team right now.

This is a team that's not only going to get to the NCAAs, they're gonna win it all in Vegas.

[LA Ute]

I'm with you on this. I think there are a lot of guys on this team who are really dissatisfied with how their college careers have turned out. Yes, they've earned minutes, put up respectable numbers and garnered individual accolades to varying degrees, but what have they accomplished that's lasting from a team concept? That they can bring up with pride 20 years from now? Really, not a damn thing. And the end of the tunnel is approaching, and they're highly motivated to change that. And they're united in changing that. That's what makes it easy to cheer for them.

I don't even think of scenarios in which this season is a failure. I suppose there are ones that could happen, but I don't even think about that. This team is along the lines of previous great teams in that regard. They're gonna go out and take care of business and they're gonna win. That's the vibe I get from this team right now.

This is a team that's not only going to get to the NCAAs, they're gonna win it all in Vegas.

Be still, my beating heart! I hope you are right!

[DrumNFeather]

The home stretch begins tonight with USC visiting Colorado. Big stakes for both squads as USC looks to keep some distance between themselves and the rest of the Pac sans Boatwright. For Colorado, a win gets them to 8-8 and keeps hope alive for them to finish anywhere from 5-8 (haven't broken out all the scenarios). A loss probably places them in the 8/9 game in Vegas.

Also - there is tension between these two coaches, so that will be interesting to watch, particularly if CU wins.

The rest of the slate tips off tomorrow.

[SoCalPat]

Be still, my beating heart! I hope you are right!

Wilner agrees with me.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/21/basketball-power-ratings-casting-an-eye-to-postseason-awards-ncaa-bids-and-the-last-team-standing-in-las-vegas/

[chrisrenrut]

Wilner agrees with me.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/21/basketball-power-ratings-casting-an-eye-to-postseason-awards-ncaa-bids-and-the-last-team-standing-in-las-vegas/

I would be absolutely thrilled, but I don't see it. This team has a tendancy to disappear for entire halfs at times, and I don't think they can survive a 6 game run against good teams, with three of them in the tournament atmosphere.

[sancho]

I would be absolutely thrilled, but I don't see it. This team has a tendancy to disappear for entire halfs at times, and I don't think they can survive a 6 game run against good teams, with three of them in the tournament atmosphere.

Vegas is a crapshoot. Every team has weaknesses. You have Arizona, the favorite, then you have pretty much even odds for the next 3 teams (since they get a bye), and then slightly lower odds for the next 5. If you just assigned the top 9 teams 1/9 odds, you'd be pretty close to the real picture.

[snafu]

Vegas is a crapshoot. Every team has weaknesses. You have Arizona, the favorite, then you have pretty much even odds for the next 3 teams (since they get a bye), and then slightly lower odds for the next 5. If you just assigned the top 9 teams 1/9 odds, you'd be pretty close to the real picture.

I think its safe to say that we will not go very far without Sed and Jayce. I hope they are back to 100% now. I am pretty sure Bealer is not giving us 18 points every night. Can't count on that happening.

[FountainOfUte]

I would be absolutely thrilled, but I don't see it. This team has a tendancy to disappear for entire halfs at times, and I don't think they can survive a 6 game run against good teams, with three of them in the tournament atmosphere.

Yeah, this is more or less how I feel. Of course I'd love to see it, but it's hard for me to imagine that we have that kind of a run in us. I think we can sweep this home stand. I expect us to beat USC and CU. UCLA is the tossup for me. While its been fun to see which guy steps up in which game, it also feels like our lack of depth and a star player can bite us in a tournament environment.

I just hope we make it to the NCAA tourney. I would have considered that impossible before the season began and the loss at BYU only cemented that opinion for me. But the road trips to Oregon, Arizona, and then Washington showed me a grit, determination, and focus I didn't think this squad had. Here's to taking down the Bruins!

[U-Ute]

I was giving MRD credit for being a genius.

I was merely pointing out the fallacy of your logic.

[U-Ute]

Wilner agrees with me.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/21/basketball-power-ratings-casting-an-eye-to-postseason-awards-ncaa-bids-and-the-last-team-standing-in-las-vegas/

We're doomed then. His support is like the kiss of death for us.

[DrumNFeather]

USC gets the road win, now 11-5 while the Buffs drop to 7-9.

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[DrumNFeather]

Joe Lunardi's latest bracket shows 3 Pac 12 teams in: Arizona (4), ASU (6), USC (12 - play in game, last four in), UCLA first four out, Washington first four out, Utah next four out.

[sancho]

Washington first four out, Utah next four out.

UW lucked out with playing Kansas 2 months before the Jayhawks finally put it together.

[DrumNFeather]

Alonzo Trier ruled ineligible for a banned substance. Arizona is appealing the ruling.

[sancho]

Alonzo Trier ruled ineligible for a banned substance. Arizona is appealing the ruling.

Everyone's odds in Vegas just went up slightly.

[Mormon Red Death]

https://theathletic.com/248486/2018/02/22/pac-12-notebook-could-red-hot-utah-play-itself-onto-the-bubble/

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[UtahsMrSports]

Would have loved to see our RPI had Xavier not bailed on coming out here this year.........

[DrumNFeather]

Would have loved to see our RPI had Xavier not bailed on coming out here this year.........We replaced them with Missouri no? So, still a decent game.

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[UtahsMrSports]

We replaced them with Missouri no? So, still a decent game.

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Its true. But we were one game short in non con. Would have loved to have them both!!

[DrumNFeather]

Its true. But we were one game short in non con. Would have loved to have them both!!

I watched the post game coverage on FS1 after Oregon/ASU and it appears to me that this year may be one of those years where the Pac 12 non-conference scheduling really comes into focus. As you note, we had one extra game to play that we didn't schedule...now, nobody has a crystal ball to see how these things might work out, but there are any number of teams right now with a top 100 RPI that we could've played at home that very likely would've gotten us another decent win, including UVU, Illinois St. (who was begging for teams to play at the end of last year when they missed out on the NCAAs, South Dakota/South Dakota St. The list goes on and on.

[DrumNFeather]

Updated standings as of last night's results:

1. Arizona 22-6, 12-3 - Clinches a share of the regular season title with a win over Oregon, can clinch it out right if we beat USC
2. USC 21-9, 11-5
3. UCLA 19-9, 10-6
4. Utah 18-9, 10-6 - We all know the stakes here, but a win very likely gets us into serious discussion for the big dance, and a top 3 seed in Vegas.
5. Stanford 15-13, 9-6 - Stanford looks to be heading towards a 10-8 finish to the season with Wazzu at home and a trip to the Arizona schools.
6. Oregon 18-10, 8-7 - picked up a big win over ASU last night and now hosts Arizona.
7. Washington 18-10, 8-7 - Bad loss last night at Stanford, will probably have a tough time getting into the tournament now despite three winnable games down the stretch.
8. Arizona St. 19-10, 7-8 - Still trying to cash in on the early season success, and it looks like they will still get into the tournament...would love to avoid them in the quarterfinals of the Pac 12 tournament. For those keeping track at home...Hurley's sideline behavior is still absurd.
9. Colorado 15-13, 7-9 - If the Buffs beat UCLA, and we take care of business vs. USC, I believe that gets us a tiebreaker against both of those teams, so...Go Buffs. Otherwise, they look to be heading toward the 8/9 game in Vegas.
10. Oregon St. 13-14, 5-10 - The likely 10 seed in the Pac 12 tourney, I think the Beavers are going to be a tough out.
11. Wazzu 10-16, 3-12 - Ernie Kent looks like he will avoid the 12 seed in the Pac 12 Tournament. Congrats!
12. Cal 8-20, 2-13 - Has basically locked up the 12 seed in Vegas.

[Mormon Red Death]

Updated standings as of last night's results:

1. Arizona 22-6, 12-3 - Clinches a share of the regular season title with a win over Oregon, can clinch it out right if we beat USC
2. USC 21-9, 11-5
3. UCLA 19-9, 10-6
4. Utah 18-9, 10-6 - We all know the stakes here, but a win very likely gets us into serious discussion for the big dance, and a top 3 seed in Vegas.
5. Stanford 15-13, 9-6 - Stanford looks to be heading towards a 10-8 finish to the season with Wazzu at home and a trip to the Arizona schools.
6. Oregon 18-10, 8-7 - picked up a big win over ASU last night and now hosts Arizona.
7. Washington 18-10, 8-7 - Bad loss last night at Stanford, will probably have a tough time getting into the tournament now despite three winnable games down the stretch.
8. Arizona St. 19-10, 7-8 - Still trying to cash in on the early season success, and it looks like they will still get into the tournament...would love to avoid them in the quarterfinals of the Pac 12 tournament. For those keeping track at home...Hurley's sideline behavior is still absurd.
9. Colorado 15-13, 7-9 - If the Buffs beat UCLA, and we take care of business vs. USC, I believe that gets us a tiebreaker against both of those teams, so...Go Buffs. Otherwise, they look to be heading toward the 8/9 game in Vegas.
10. Oregon St. 13-14, 5-10 - The likely 10 seed in the Pac 12 tourney, I think the Beavers are going to be a tough out.
11. Wazzu 10-16, 3-12 - Ernie Kent looks like he will avoid the 12 seed in the Pac 12 Tournament. Congrats!
12. Cal 8-20, 2-13 - Has basically locked up the 12 seed in Vegas.

I think we pretty much wrapped up at least 4th. We hold the tie breaker on everyone below us except ASU which beat USC and UCLA. So if Stanford, ASU, Utah and UCLA were tied at 10-8. It would go record against those schools which is:

Stanford 2-3
ASU 3-2
UCLA 2-3
Utah 3-2

Then their win ASU win over USC would give them 3 and Utah would be 4.

[sancho]

First bracket I've seen with Utah on a line:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/

[Mormon Red Death]

If we beat Colorado we end up 4th. The only team below us we don't have tiebreaker with is asu and they have 8 losses.

Azholes 1
uscheaters 2
Ucla @Colo @usc 3
Utah 7 losses Colo
Stanford 6 losses wazzu, @ az @ asu
Oregon 7 losses az, @ wash @ wazzu
Wash 7 losses @ cal, osu oreg
Asu 8 losses


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[DrumNFeather]

I think we can safely pencil Cal in as the 12 seed.

[DrumNFeather]

Oregon State beats Arizona State, could move up into the 8/9 slot if the Buffs stumble.

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[DrumNFeather]

Ducks top Arizona in OT...We still own the tiebreaker over them so the result isn't terrible for us. The game between them and the Huskies could very well be for that 5th seed.

One more tomorrow between. UCLA and the Buffs before we head into the final weekend of the regular season. Should be exciting.

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[DrumNFeather]

I think we can safely pencil Cal in as the 12 seed.

And by virtue of Oregon State's win over ASU, Wazzu is penciled in as the 11 seed.

[DrumNFeather]

League RPIs as of this morning:

Arizona 18
USC 31
ASU 39
UCLA 48
Wash 49
Utah 53
Oregon 71
Stanford 83
Colorado 85

Everyone else 150 or worse.

[DrumNFeather]

Buffs take care of the Bruins...the path to the 3 seed is there for the Utes. The league has really cannibalized itself this year.

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[UtahsMrSports]

Buffs take care of the Bruins...the path to the 3 seed is there for the Utes. The league has really cannibalized itself this year.

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While I certainly hope we win on Saturday, the 3 seed gives us a potential semi final with USC. I just don't like our odds against them.

[sancho]

While I certainly hope we win on Saturday, the 3 seed gives us a potential semi final with USC. I just don't like our odds against them.

The semi vs Zona is only more appealing if Ayton get suspended. Otherwise, either way we'll have to play a team that beat us twice.

[UtahsMrSports]

The semi vs Zona is only more appealing if Ayton get suspended. Otherwise, either way we'll have to play a team that beat us twice.

Unless Arizona gets Trier back, they are a better draw for us, with or without Ayton. Either game is a long shot but we have been beaten up twice by USC and competed pretty well twice with Arizona

[U-Ute]

Buffs take care of the Bruins...the path to the 3 seed is there for the Utes. The league has really cannibalized itself this year.

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I think we need UCLA to lose to USC to get 4th. I don’t think we own the tiebreaker over UCLA do we? We split and they own point differential.

I don’t see Stanford losing to Cal.

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[sancho]

I think we need UCLA to lose to USC to get 4th. I don’t think we own the tiebreaker over UCLA do we? We split and they own point differential.

I don’t see Stanford losing to Cal.


I think Stanford has the AZ schools. They should lose.

If we win, we should get 3rd or 4th.

[Mormon Red Death]

I think we need UCLA to lose to USC to get 4th. I don’t think we own the tiebreaker over UCLA do we? We split and they own point differential.

I don’t see Stanford losing to Cal.

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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkStanford is at the zona schools. They just have to lose 1 of those 2

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[DrumNFeather]

Alright, so as we head into the final week of the season, here are the standings:

1. Arizona (12-4) - vs. Stanford, Call Prediction (2-0 this week). #1 Seed
2. USC (12-5) - vs. UCLA Prediction (1-0 this week). #2 Seed
3. Stanford (10-6) - @ Arizona, ASU Prediction (0-2 this week). #5 Seed
4. UCLA (10-7) - @ USC Prediction (0-1 this week). #6 Seed
5. Utah (10-7) - vs. Colorado Prediction (1-0 this week). #3 Seed.
6. Oregon (9-7) - @ Wazzu, Washington. Prediction (2-0 this week). #4 Seed
7. Wash (9-7) - vs. OSU, Oregon Prediction (1-1 this week). #7 Seed
8. Colorado (8-9) - @ Utah Prediction (0-1 this week). #9 Seed
9. ASU (7-9) - vs. Cal, Stanford. Prediction (2-0 this week). #8 Seed
10. OSU (6-10) - @ Wash, Wazzu Prediction (0-2 this week). #10 Seed
11. Wazzu (3-13) - vs. Oregon, OSU Prediction (1-1 this week). #11 Seed
12. Cal (2-14) - @ASU, Arizona. Prediction (0-2 this week). #12 Seed

This assumes three teams finish at 10-8 (Stanford, UCLA, Wash) and in that Scenario, Stanford is 3-1 vs. the other two, UCLA is 2-1, and Wash is 0-3

In summary, the DNF crystal ball says:

1. Arizona
2. USC
3. Utah
4. Oregon
5. Stanford
6. UCLA
7. Wash
8. ASU
9. CU
10. OSU
11. Wazzu
12. Cal

[Scorcho]

Alright, so as we head into the final week of the season, here are the standings:

1. Arizona (12-4) - vs. Stanford, Call Prediction (2-0 this week). #1 Seed
2. USC (12-5) - vs. UCLA Prediction (1-0 this week). #2 Seed
3. Stanford (10-6) - @ Arizona, ASU Prediction (0-2 this week). #5 Seed
4. UCLA (10-7) - @ USC Prediction (0-1 this week). #6 Seed
5. Utah (10-7) - vs. Colorado Prediction (1-0 this week). #3 Seed.
6. Oregon (9-7) - @ Wazzu, Washington. Prediction (2-0 this week). #4 Seed
7. Wash (9-7) - vs. OSU, Oregon Prediction (1-1 this week). #7 Seed
8. Colorado (8-9) - @ Utah Prediction (0-1 this week). #9 Seed
9. ASU (7-9) - vs. Cal, Stanford. Prediction (2-0 this week). #8 Seed
10. OSU (6-10) - @ Wash, Wazzu Prediction (0-2 this week). #10 Seed
11. Wazzu (3-13) - vs. Oregon, OSU Prediction (1-1 this week). #11 Seed
12. Cal (2-14) - @ASU, Arizona. Prediction (0-2 this week). #12 Seed

This assumes three teams finish at 10-8 (Stanford, UCLA, Wash) and in that Scenario, Stanford is 3-1 vs. the other two, UCLA is 2-1, and Wash is 0-3

In summary, the DNF crystal ball says:

1. Arizona
2. USC
3. Utah
4. Oregon
5. Stanford
6. UCLA
7. Wash
8. ASU
9. CU
10. OSU
11. Wazzu
12. Cal

blows me away that ASU finishing 8th appears to be a lock for the big dance, but #2 USC is squarely on the bubble, I get that ASU had a spectacular pre-conference season, but....

[DrumNFeather]

blows me away that ASU finishing 8th appears to be a lock for the big dance, but #2 USC is squarely on the bubble, I get that ASU had a spectacular pre-conference season, but....

This whole season seems to be a referendum on Pac 12 non-con scheduling. Most of the experts seem to universally feel that the Pac 12 just doesn't schedule OOC strong enough and so when you have a year like this year where (I think) a number of teams are good and just beat up on each other, it looks more like the conference is bad because there are very few marquee wins out there for the league. It still blows me away that the Utes did not add that extra non-conference game that they could have. Granted, it probably would've ended up being a Grand Canyon or something, but there were no shortage of potential RPI 100 wins that I think would've come to the Huntsman Center, and the Utes would potentially be heading into the Pac 12 tourney as a 20 win team.

[sancho]

blows me away that ASU finishing 8th appears to be a lock for the big dance, but #2 USC is squarely on the bubble, I get that ASU had a spectacular pre-conference season, but....

It really illustrates how messed up our selection process can be.

[sancho]

This whole season seems to be a referendum on Pac 12 non-con scheduling.

Was scheduling really the problem, or was is that we lost most of the good OOC games we scheduled as a conference?

[U-Ute]

Alright, so as we head into the final week of the season, here are the standings:

1. Arizona (12-4) - vs. Stanford, Call Prediction (2-0 this week). #1 Seed
2. USC (12-5) - vs. UCLA Prediction (1-0 this week). #2 Seed
3. Stanford (10-6) - @ Arizona, ASU Prediction (0-2 this week). #5 Seed
4. UCLA (10-7) - @ USC Prediction (0-1 this week). #6 Seed
5. Utah (10-7) - vs. Colorado Prediction (1-0 this week). #3 Seed.
6. Oregon (9-7) - @ Wazzu, Washington. Prediction (2-0 this week). #4 Seed
7. Wash (9-7) - vs. OSU, Oregon Prediction (1-1 this week). #7 Seed
8. Colorado (8-9) - @ Utah Prediction (0-1 this week). #9 Seed
9. ASU (7-9) - vs. Cal, Stanford. Prediction (2-0 this week). #8 Seed
10. OSU (6-10) - @ Wash, Wazzu Prediction (0-2 this week). #10 Seed
11. Wazzu (3-13) - vs. Oregon, OSU Prediction (1-1 this week). #11 Seed
12. Cal (2-14) - @ASU, Arizona. Prediction (0-2 this week). #12 Seed

This assumes three teams finish at 10-8 (Stanford, UCLA, Wash) and in that Scenario, Stanford is 3-1 vs. the other two, UCLA is 2-1, and Wash is 0-3

In summary, the DNF crystal ball says:

1. Arizona
2. USC
3. Utah
4. Oregon
5. Stanford
6. UCLA
7. Wash
8. ASU
9. CU
10. OSU
11. Wazzu
12. Cal

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[SoCalPat]

It really illustrates how messed up our selection process can be.

ASU's non-con RPI is 2. They have wins against Xavier and Kansas. And although I'm not a big believer in MOV and how much the committee emphasizes it, ASU hasn't lost a game by more than 9 point all year long.

There are flaws to the selection process, but ASU's situation this year doesn't underscore that point.

[SoCalPat]

Was scheduling really the problem, or was is that we lost most of the good OOC games we scheduled as a conference?

The latter, plus one (explained later). Pomeroy has Utah's non-con SOS at 183. In our previous NIT years, it was 322 (last year) and 350 (Delon's first year). So we improved our scheduling. The Oregon schools have non-con SOS in the 300s, but by and large, the league scheduled well (the only other schools 200 or worse are Cal and Wazzu, neither of whom were gonna make the tournament this year). Four schools are 110th or better.

There are some horrible losses out there. Stanford lost to EWU, Long Beach and Portland. Those three, plus a Cal loss, if reversed, would have Stanford safely in the field, and change the dynamic of the entire league.

[DrumNFeather]

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Thank you, I'll be here all week!

[Scorcho]

The latter, plus one (explained later). Pomeroy has Utah's non-con SOS at 183. In our previous NIT years, it was 322 (last year) and 350 (Delon's first year). So we improved our scheduling. The Oregon schools have non-con SOS in the 300s, but by and large, the league scheduled well (the only other schools 200 or worse are Cal and Wazzu, neither of whom were gonna make the tournament this year). Four schools are 110th or better.

There are some horrible losses out there. Stanford lost to EWU, Long Beach and Portland. Those three, plus a Cal loss, if reversed, would have Stanford safely in the field, and change the dynamic of the entire league.

we're sitting at 18 wins, I think we need to get to 21 wins to have a shot at the tourney, which entails:

- I think we'll win against Colorado on Sat, they are 1-9 on the road in conference

- we should pick up a first round PAC-12 win

- Ideally I'd like to stay out of USC's side of the bracket, perhaps the #4 seed in the PAC-12 with a semi-final game against AZ, a win against AZ would put us in I think

- We need several of the teams currently on the bubble to have a miserable next couple of weeks

Not a great shot to get in, but there is a path, If Larry can get this team to the dance, I think he's coach of the year in conference

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

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[DrumNFeather]

967598031490072577

This is something that the ADs need to address with Larry Scott in the off-season...understanding of course that our coach too had to be restrained this weekend...but Hurley takes it to a new level.

[Rocker Ute]

Bobby Hurley remains Bobby Hurley.


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[UBlender]

we're sitting at 18 wins, I think we need to get to 21 wins to have a shot at the tourney, which entails:

- I think we'll win against Colorado on Sat, they are 1-9 on the road in conference

- we should pick up a first round PAC-12 win

- Ideally I'd like to stay out of USC's side of the bracket, perhaps the #4 seed in the PAC-12 with a semi-final game against AZ, a win against AZ would put us in I think

- We need several of the teams currently on the bubble to have a miserable next couple of weeks

Not a great shot to get in, but there is a path, If Larry can get this team to the dance, I think he's coach of the year in conference

Piggybacking off of the work of others, it sounds like Utah winning this weekend almost guarantees a 3-seed for the Utes, while USC is virtually locked in to the 2-seed. I agree with the assessment that Utah beating Colorado and a first round win in the PAC 12 tournament over someone like UCLA/Stanford/UW would not be enough. Utah would need that third win in the semi-final to get there and that would have to come against USC or the team that just knocked off USC (and for RPI purposes Utah might need it to be USC in order to add a quality win to its resume).

Hoping for the best but my guess is that is just a little too tall of an order for this team and we end up hosting an NIT game again.

[Rocker Ute]

Piggybacking off of the work of others, it sounds like Utah winning this weekend almost guarantees a 3-seed for the Utes, while USC is virtually locked in to the 2-seed. I agree with the assessment that Utah beating Colorado and a first round win in the PAC 12 tournament over someone like UCLA/Stanford/UW would not be enough. Utah would need that third win in the semi-final to get there and that would have to come against USC or the team that just knocked off USC (and for RPI purposes Utah might need it to be USC in order to add a quality win to its resume).

Hoping for the best but my guess is that is just a little too tall of an order for this team and we end up hosting an NIT game again.

The post of a long time Ute fan. For the record I agree.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Bobby Hurley remains Bobby Hurley.


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Now $10,000 light.

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[Diehard Ute]

Now $10,000 light.

968287443198779392


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Seems light to me.


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[Mormon Red Death]

With Stanford and Oregon losing last night that puts Utah in 4th. We can't finish below Oregon. If Oregon beats Washington on Saturday and ASU beats Stanford we can finish no lower than 4th if we lose. If we win we can't finish lower than 4th.

[DrumNFeather]

Alright, here we go...one game left and lots of scenarios in play. Let's start with what we know: Arizona, USC, Oregon St. Wash St., and Cal are all locked into their seeds. (1, 2, 10, 11, 12), and let me just say, I don't think OSU or WSU will be an easy out for anyone.

Here are the standings as of last night's games:

1. Arizona (13-4) - Clinched a share of the Pac 12 title and the #1 seed in the tournament. Can clinch it outright with a win on Saturday over Cal.
2. USC (12-5) - Can clinch a share of the Pac 12 title with a W and an Arizona loss. Otherwise, they are locked in as the #2 seed in Vegas.
3. Washington (10-7) - Does not own any tiebreakers over any of the other 10-7 teams. Will need to win and have 2 of the 3 other teams at 10-7 lose to clinch a top four seed. If they win and the other three teams lose, they would be the #3 seed in Vegas.
4. UCLA (10-7) - Owns a tiebreaker over Wash, but split with Utah and Stanford during the season. Needs a win to stay in the discussion for a top four seed and the NCAA tournament. They do hold a win over Arizona, so if they got into a 1-1 tiebreaker scenario with Stanford or Utah, they would move ahead of them.
5. Utah (10-7) - Clinches a top four seed with a win. Owns a tiebreaker over Stanford and Washington, split with UCLA. Most of the scenarios work out in the Utes favor here.
6. Stanford (10-7) - Holds the head to head tiebreaker over Washington, but not Utah, and split with UCLA during the regular season. They would need a win and a loss by Utah to ensure a top 4 seed, I believe.
7. Oregon (9-8) - If Oregon beats Washington on Saturday, they would vault ahead of them by virtue of a season sweep over the Huskies. They would lose head to head tiebreakers vs. Utah and Stanford, and I think would lose to UCLA by virtue of UCLA's win over USC earlier in the season. If Oregon loses, they are essentially locked into the 7 seed because they would own tiebreakers over ASU and CU, in the event that either won.
8. ASU (8-9) - ASU and Colorado are essentially locked into the 8/9 game, we just don't know who goes where. If they win on Saturday and the Buffs lose, they are the 8. If the reverse is true, the Buffs are the 8. If they both end with the same record, Colorado would win that tiebreaker due to their win over Arizona, I believe.
9. Colorado (8-9) - See above
10. Oregon St. (6-11) - Plays WSU in a completely meaningless game.
11. Wazzu (3-14) - Plays OSU in a completely meaningless game.
12. Cal (2-15) - Poor Cal.

Here's the schedule:

Stanford @ ASU 12:30 MT - Pac 12 Networks
Oregon @ Washington 2:30 MT - Pac 12 Networks
Cal @ Arizona 4:30 MT - Pac 12 Networks
OSU @ WSU 4:30 MT - Pac 12 Networks
Colorado @ Utah 5:00 MT - Pac 12 Mountain
UCLA @ USC 8:30 MT - ESPN

So, we should have a pretty good idea of where we stand by the time our game tips off.

[Scratch]

With Stanford and Oregon losing last night that puts Utah in 4th. We can't finish below Oregon. If Oregon beats Washington on Saturday and ASU beats Stanford we can finish no lower than 4th if we lose. If we win we can't finish lower than 4th.

I assume you're talking about seeding, right? Because we're currently tied for third, we're not in 4th.

[Mormon Red Death]

I assume you're talking about seeding, right? Because we're currently tied for third, we're not in 4th.

correct

[sancho]

5. Utah (10-7) - Clinches a top four seed with a win. Owns a tiebreaker over Stanford and Washington, split with UCLA. Most of the scenarios work out in the Utes favor here.


With a win, we finish 3rd or 4th. What about a loss? I think the 6 seed is our worst case scenario. Is that right?

[DrumNFeather]

With a win, we finish 3rd or 4th. What about a loss? I think the 6 seed is our worst case scenario. Is that right?

Probably. I think there are only two scenarios where we'd drop to 6...a L and wins by UW, Stan, and UCLA. OR a L and a UCLA L with UW and Stan winning.

[Mormon Red Death]

Watching the asu vs Stanford game. Asu has taken about 15 40 footers that have been bricks. Asu down 5 at half

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[DrumNFeather]

Watching the asu vs Stanford game. Asu has taken about 15 40 footers that have been bricks. Asu down 5 at half

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Hurley and his team finally getting T-d up for their nonsense.

[Mormon Red Death]

Hurley and his team finally getting T-d up for their nonsense. How is asu such a lock? They are getting whipped by stanford

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[DrumNFeather]

How is asu such a lock? They are getting whipped by stanford

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No idea. They really are banking on the Ws over Kansas and Xavier to carry them. If they lose this game they finish 9th.

[Mormon Red Death]

Missed 2 fts to tie game... asu sucks

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[Mormon Red Death]

Wow asu sucks justice missed 3 straight free throws

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[Mormon Red Death]

Utah wins they end up 3rd.

Utah, ucla, stanford records against each other.
Utah 2-1
Ucla 2-2
Stan 1-2

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[DrumNFeather]

Utah wins they end up 3rd.

Utah, ucla, stanford records against each other.
Utah 2-1
Ucla 2-2
Stan 1-2

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ASU comes in as the 9 Seed, which means that if they beat CU in that 8/9 game, they get a rivalry game vs. Arizona. I think that helps the whole league if Arizona gets a tough game in the 1/8 tilt.

[Mormon Red Death]

Lowest possible for Utah is 5th which if we lose and ucla wins or Washington loses

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[sancho]

How is asu such a lock? They are getting whipped by stanford


No team that finishes under .500 in a bad conference should get to dance.

[sancho]

No team that finishes under .500 in a bad conference should get to dance.

Sad thing is that the ASU looked like our best win of the season...until everyone else beat them too. We don't have any wins over truly good teams - just some wins over other bubble teams.

[DrumNFeather]

Oregon putting it on Washington right now 44-29 at the half.

[DrumNFeather]

Oregon putting it on Washington right now 44-29 at the half.

Looks like Oregon is going to hang on for the win here, which I believe puts Washington as the 7 seed in the Pac 12 tournament. Oregon can be the 5 or 6.

[DrumNFeather]

First matchup in Vegas is set: 7. Washington vs. 10. Oregon St. - Don't sleep on the Beavs!

[Mormon Red Death]

Matchups are set we get the winner of oregon/ wazzu. Wazzu just beat oregon on Thursday so an upset can happen

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[sancho]

How do you have three sons, name two of them Justin and Aaron, and name the other one Jrue?

[UtahsMrSports]

Pac-12 Awards go out today. I expect Bibbins to make the first team and Rawson/Collette and maybe Sedrick to be honorable mention. Rawson could theoretically get most improved. Im really interested to see if Larry K is named coach of the year. (How do you give it to Miller or Enfield and Washington didn't finish high enough, IMO.)

[UtahsMrSports]

Pac-12 Awards go out today. I expect Bibbins to make the first team and Rawson/Collette and maybe Sedrick to be honorable mention. Rawson could theoretically get most improved. Im really interested to see if Larry K is named coach of the year. (How do you give it to Miller or Enfield and Washington didn't finish high enough, IMO.)

Anddddd..............Bibbins is first team, Collette second team. COY will be awarded later today.

[SoCalPat]

Anddddd..............Bibbins is first team, Collette second team. COY will be awarded later today.

COY between Larry and Hopkins should go to the coach who gets his team into the NCAAs. Since we can't foresee that, I get the arguments for both.

[Old Standing ute]

POY (IMO) is awarded to the best player in the league, which is Ayton from AZ.

But if it was most valuable player it would have to be Justin Bibbins. Utah is out matched in size and talent by most teams in the league, yet they came in 3rd? Coaching a big part, but Bibbins willed them to win many games. And how Bibbins goes so go the Utes---and he usually was a go--playing almost every minute of every game.

it will never happen, but think how much it would piss off Sean Miller.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Not a surprise but Washington’s Mike Hopkins gets conference COY. Next year is Larry’s year.


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[Mormon Red Death]

In Vegas and ready to roll!!

Let's go utes! Your lines for the opening round.

Asu -7
Stanford -9.5
Oregon st -2.5
Oregon -12

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[sancho]

Asu -7


Seems a bit high to me.



Oregon st -2.5


What?!? Vegas must not know that UW has the Pac-12 coach of the year.

[DrumNFeather]

I think if ASU loses to CU they are out. #HotTakes.

[DrumNFeather]

We've reached halftime in Las Vegas, the Buffs lead ASU 41-37.

[DrumNFeather]

We've reached halftime in Las Vegas, the Buffs lead ASU 41-37.

It is alllllllll over! Colorado takes out Arizona St. in the first round of the Pac 12 tournament, and ASU now will very likely have to sweat out Selection Sunday.

[DrumNFeather]

Tyler Bey with an ally-oop dunk. Holder throws him down to the ground...gets tossed. Tempers flaring in Vegas.

[concerned]

It is alllllllll over! Colorado takes out Arizona St. in the first round of the Pac 12 tournament, and ASU now will very likely have to sweat out Selection Sunday.


It just seems to me ridiculous that 2 wins over one-seeds in early December can get you in the tourney when your season has completely fallen apart. I thought the committee was supposed to weigh heavily a team's trending at the end of the year.

[DrumNFeather]

It just seems to me ridiculous that 2 wins over one-seeds in early December can get you in the tourney when your season has completely fallen apart. I thought the committee was supposed to weigh heavily a team's trending at the end of the year.

This incident with Holder at the end of the game could/should lead to a suspension for Holder, IMO.

Also, Boyle hurt himself heading toward the altercation.

[Scratch]

This incident with Holder at the end of the game could/should lead to a suspension for Holder, IMO.

Also, Boyle hurt himself heading toward the altercation.

Strange that an ASU player would do something like that. You'd think they'd have learned some decorum from their head coach.

[DrumNFeather]

Strange that an ASU player would do something like that. You'd think they'd have learned some decorum from their head coach.

Exactly. Of all the teams in the league, ASU shows up its opponent routinely...but as you point out, they've got the composure and maturity of their coach.

Boyle thinks he may have torn his Achilles.

[sancho]

It just seems to me ridiculous that 2 wins over one-seeds in early December can get you in the tourney when your season has completely fallen apart. I thought the committee was supposed to weigh heavily a team's trending at the end of the year.

That used to be the case (last 10 games), but they had to do away with that because it hurt mid majors. The middies need November games to be worth as much as March games. They seem to think it has to be one way or the other, when just a bit of common sense would be enough to judge a case like ASU's.

[Two Utes]

This incident with Holder at the end of the game could/should lead to a suspension for Holder, IMO.

Also, Boyle hurt himself heading toward the altercation.


That would clearly be an achiiles injury. He looked back as if someone had done something to him.

[DrumNFeather]

Stanford takes down Cal. No hard fouls or fights at the end.

[Mormon Red Death]

Oregon st vs Washington is a good game

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[sancho]

Vegas must not know that UW has the Pac-12 coach of the year.

When I see a player drive to the basket for a layup with less than 10 seconds left in a game when his team is down 3, I think "boy, that guy is well coached."

[DrumNFeather]

First matchup in Vegas is set: 7. Washington vs. 10. Oregon St. - Don't sleep on the Beavs!

Swish!

[sancho]

Swish!

Hey, Vegas had OSU as the favorite. Can't pat yourself too hard on the back.

[Scorcho]

When I see a player drive to the basket for a layup with less than 10 seconds left in a game when his team is down 3, I think "boy, that guy is well coached."

:rofl::clap:

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Ducks down to the Cougars at the half.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Extra innings.


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[DrumNFeather]

Hey, Vegas had OSU as the favorite. Can't pat yourself too hard on the back.

Oh yes I can! That's what message boards were invented for!

So it is us vs. the Ducks. They played as bad a game as I've seen them play last night and should be tired today...hope we can take advantage of that.

[Rocker Ute]

Just like real life, I’m fearful of the ducks. Dana Altman always seems to have our number.


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[DrumNFeather]

Just like real life, I’m fearful of the ducks. Dana Altman always seems to have our number.


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Yeah - Oregon makes me nervous as well. We're not going to be able to settle for bad 3s against them. When they started out cold last night my thought was...man, a good team might have this game at about 28-4 right now. As it was Wazzu just completely choked in that game. To run clock in a one possession game and then get a bad shot...come on big Ern, you can do better than that! We will really need to get big minutes from Tillman, Seeley, and Jayce if Collette can't go. Like most Ute fans, I'm to the point where I think we probably need to win the tourney to get into the big dance. To that end, last night I shifted my focus mentally to needing wins over Oregon and USC, to just needing to get to the final and give ourselves a chance, which is why I was hoping Wazzu would pull it out, but alas...Ernie gonna Ernie.

[DrumNFeather]

Arizona up 35 - 33 at the half over the Buffs.

[DrumNFeather]

Arizona up 35 - 33 at the half over the Buffs.

Cats pull away in the second half, await the winner of Stanford/UCLA.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

The Trojans tamed the Beavers without much drama.


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

971964847020654592


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[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Nothing like a nice 7 minute field goal drought. Van Dyke to the rescue.


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[justaute]

Yup...PVD has hit his shots. Rawson has not. Still can't believe Jayce was a 4* recruit.


Nothing like a nice 7 minute field goal drought. Van Dyke to the rescue.


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[sancho]

Yup...PVD has hit his shots. Rawson has not. Still can't believe Jayce was a 4* recruit.

Jayce gave up some offensive boards early and then really upped his energy on the defensive glass (and defense in general). It he just keeps doing that, he'll have earned his scholarship tonight.

[LA Ute]

Yup...PVD has hit his shots. Rawson has not. Still can't believe Jayce was a 4* recruit.

Doesn’t finish well. We’d have 6 more points if he could.

[justaute]

Agree. He's stepped up in the 2nd half, as did Rawson -- gotta keep up the energy.


Jayce gave up some offensive boards early and then really upped his energy on the defensive glass (and defense in general). It he just keeps doing that, he'll have earned his scholarship tonight.

[justaute]

Such a big difference with/without Collette on the court for our inside-out game.

[sancho]

Collette with the fire. He's gonna get T'd up for taunting if he's not careful.

[LA Ute]

Loss of poise in the final minute really hurt us.


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[LA Ute]

Hello, NIT. I guess Barefield was the guy LK wanted to have the ball in his hands at the end. I don’t get that, since he seemed to be forcing shots and making bad decisions all night, but whatever.


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[sancho]

Loss of poise in the final minute really hurt us.


On the last shot, yes. Bibbins was open in the corner, waiting for the ball.

The charge/block decision against Rawson was the play of the game.

[sancho]

Hello, NIT. I guess Barefield was the guy LK wanted to have the ball in his hands at the end. I don’t get that, since he seemed to be forcing shots and making bad decisions all night, but whatever.


I thought we wanted to inbound it to Bibbins. They denied, and we went to Barefield instead. I don't think that's anything close to what was drawn up.

[LA Ute]

I thought we wanted to inbound it to Bibbins. They denied, and we went to Barefield instead. I don't think that's anything close to what was drawn up.

You’re probably right.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

I guess I’d rather lose to Oregon than lose to USC.


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[DrumNFeather]

Well that sucked. Really felt like we took the exact same approach that Wazzu took last night. I just don't know how you don't attack a little bit more and try to get some good looks for guys like Bibbins. Our guys also did quite a bit of talking to come up so small in the last few minutes. This is something we really, really need to work on moving forward.

So we're on to the NIT, and while I'm sure that some people won't watch or whatever, I would hope that Larry opens up the rotation again and gets time for guys like Seeley and some of the other young guys on the team.

[DrumNFeather]

Also, the officiating was brutal down the stretch.

[LA Ute]

I thought we wanted to inbound it to Bibbins. They denied, and we went to Barefield instead. I don't think that's anything close to what was drawn up.

Watching the last few seconds again it looks like the play might have been to get the ball to Bibbins for a corner three for the win. We were not going to win in OT so I like the call. Justin was wide open. For whatever reason Barefield decided to go for the layup. Not the first bad decision he made last night.

[DrumNFeather]

Having had some time to sleep on it, that result still sucked. There really was just no reason that we should lose that game, and that's pretty frustrating. I do understand Larry's post-game rant about the officiating and having your best players have to sit with 4 or 5 fouls. And yes, McIntosh put us defensively in a bad spot...he threw his body into our guys and not once did he get called for the offensive foul. So what do you do?

Also, let's not pretend like Wooten is Mutumbo. Oregon got baskets last night because they were aggressive and attacked. We took the opposite approach and it cost us the game. Even on the possession where Rawson took a deep three, he had with about 13 seconds on the shot clock a good look from the free throw line that he passed up, and the result was the deep three. We can't do that. We gotta take the good looks when we get them.

Ultimately, Sed should've made the extra pass to Bibbins, but whatever, that shot is no guarantee, but boy it would've been nice to see if he would've put it in.

My guess is that we're looking at a 3-4 seed in the NIT with one or two possible games at home. I hope we show better than we have the last two years and, as I said last night, I hope the young guys play.

[sancho]

I do understand Larry's post-game rant about the officiating and having your best players have to sit with 4 or 5 fouls.

One of Collette's 5 fouls was a really dumb, really real foul (his 4th - on a rebound). The others were nit-picky or worse. That, more than anything else, is how I'll remember Collette. That's his legacy. I've never seen another player that is such a magnet for questionable, meaningless calls.

There were long stretches of the game where every contact resulted in a foul call. Then there were stretches of referee sanctioned jungle ball. Back and forth, inconsistent officiating. In other words, a typical college basketball game.

Our offense was night-and-day different with Collette on the bench last night. For some reason, he was the piece that was making it all work.

[concerned]

One of Collette's 5 fouls was a really dumb, really real foul (his 4th - on a rebound). The others were nit-picky or worse. That, more than anything else, is how I'll remember Collette. That's his legacy. I've never seen another player that is such a magnet for questionable, meaningless calls.

He may be a magnet for quesitonable calls, but he also commits brain dead fouls. He is our only reliable inside scorer, and you cant overestimate how important that is. But he is the worst rebounding big man I think I have ever seen, and this was the worst rebounding team I think I have ever seen. Has any team ever given up so many offensive rebounds? Maybe it is the zone in part, but Collette has absolutely no instinct for the ball (and cant jump).

[DrumNFeather]

One of Collette's 5 fouls was a really dumb, really real foul (his 4th - on a rebound). The others were nit-picky or worse. That, more than anything else, is how I'll remember Collette. That's his legacy. I've never seen another player that is such a magnet for questionable, meaningless calls.

There were long stretches of the game where every contact resulted in a foul call. Then there were stretches of referee sanctioned jungle ball. Back and forth, inconsistent officiating. In other words, a typical college basketball game.

Our offense was night-and-day different with Collette on the bench last night. For some reason, he was the piece that was making it all work.

I heard a post-game quote from him where he said that he just wasn't going to not play in this game. Sort of a, not gonna be denied...and he played like that and flat out dominated Oregon's bigs (rebounding aside - as concerned rightly points out). I wish that some of our other guys had come into the game with that attitude.

[sancho]

He may be a magnet for quesitonable calls, but he also commits brain dead fouls.

Yes he does. And he's a poor rebounder. And he's a good post player. But it's the questionable calls thing that really defines him.

[SoCalPat]

Everything that needs to be said has been said. I'll point out one other instance in which we got conservative.

Deep in the 2nd half -- under 6 minutes -- we've worked the clock down to under 15. Rawson is on the right wing, Barefield in the corner. Under 10, Rawson has an open 3. He passes it to Barefield, who looks to drive and then takes a 3 off the dribble with under 5 on the clock. It misses. I think under 10 seconds, we pass up on good shots in hopes of something better. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But I can't help but think in the first half, Rawson takes the open 3 instead of passing to Sed.

[Mormon Red Death]

Over 12 minutes in the second half and the azholes have 1 foul

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[justaute]

Can't believe refs called an offensive foul on Ayton because he lowered his shoulder (sarcastic). They didn't call that on Oregon last night.

Of course, more important, LK's "prevent defense" of running down the shot-clock back-fired once again. Conceptually, I get why he's doing that; however, Utah does not have the athletes/talent to just run down the clock and have someone go get a bucket. We have to have the passing and movements, and all this eat-up the shot-clock. Oh well.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Ducks down by 28 to USC. I’m glad it isn’t us.


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[concerned]

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That hurts. I know that play and it is designed to go to the corner guy after the drive. Wide open every time. Smh

12:05 AM - 9 Mar 2018

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

Barf.

972579550730178560


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[sancho]

Barf.


We need revenge. I'm fine with it.

Sure would be awful to lose again, though.

[SoCalPat]

Barf.

972579550730178560


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Another team from the WCC in the postseason? Talk about our poison pill ...

[snafu]

It would be nice to finish the season on a high note and make a run in the NIT but I'm not holding my breath.

[mUUser]

Barf.

972579550730178560


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Could be fun. Any mention of "80K" to a provo fan nowadays elicits the same reaction as a mention of Trump on the politics threads.......they completely lose their minds. Entertaining for sure.