2019 - 2020 Season Thread

[Mormon Red Death]

Here's how I think the rotation will go:

Starting 5
Rylan
#gachscratchfever
Januten
Timmy Buckets
The Hat

Bench (in order of coming in)
Battin
Gaskin
Plummer
Carlson
Brenchley
Van Komen

[UTEopia]

Here's how I think the rotation will go:

Starting 5
Rylan
#gachscratchfever
Januten
Timmy Buckets
The Hat

Bench (in order of coming in)
Battin
Gaskin
Plummer
Carlson
Brenchley
Van Komen

Battin started last year. I would expect him to start at the beginning of the year at least. Hopefully is bigger, stronger, tougher, etc. He has a decent outside shot and if Thiot and Timmy are both in, you need another outside shooter. I don't recall anyone saying that is Januten's strong suit. Then again, I don't expect this team to win many games, so it might not matter.

[Mormon Red Death]

I'm hearing that Carlsen grew 3 inches on his mission and is a legit 7 footer.

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

The conference schedule was released today.

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[chrisrenrut]

The conference schedule was released today.

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The tough guy look isn’t working here, especially on Battin.

Home games range from 12:30 pm to 8:00 pm, but not a single one at 7:30 or 7:30.

Edit: am I just conditioned now to complain about anything associated with Utah basketball? I gotta get off Twitter.

[DrumNFeather]

They put the full schedule out for consumption as well.

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[LA Ute]

They put the full schedule out for consumption as well.

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Not the most reader-friendly format.

[UtahsMrSports]

Practice starts today!

Here is a podcast where Larry previews the roster:

http://collegehoopswatch.com/2019/09/24/marching-to-madness-episode-410-utah-head-coach-larry-krystkowiak/

[Scorcho]

Practice starts today!

Here is a podcast where Larry previews the roster:

http://collegehoopswatch.com/2019/09/24/marching-to-madness-episode-410-utah-head-coach-larry-krystkowiak/

one practice down, and no reports of any players entering the transfer portal yet x:)x

[Dwight Schr-Ute]

one practice down, and no reports of any players entering the transfer portal yet x:)x

On a related note, Donnie Tillman was granted immediate eligibility for the Runnin' Rebels today. Because, of course.

[UtahsMrSports]

Night with the Runnin utes will be Tuesday, Oct 15 at 7.

The Men and women will start things off with a 3 point shooting contest. Men scrimmage at 7:15. Women at 7:50.

[Scorcho]

Krystko was quoted in the SL Trib that "our team culture is off of the charts" that's exactly what I needed to hear from a team with 1 Jr. and 1 Sr. both of whom are unknowns. Is this code for buckle up, it's going to be a long year?

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[U-Ute]

Krystko was quoted in the SL Trib that "our team culture is off of the charts" that's exactly what I needed to hear from a team with 1 Jr. and 1 Sr. both of whom are unknowns. Is this code for buckle up, it's going to be a long year?

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"We may not win many games, but these guys are great wingmen in the club."

[DrumNFeather]

If it makes you feel better, Gach said something similar to Ashley Adamson on the Pac 12 network about everyone this year being bought in, and that not being the case last year. FWIW.

[UtahsMrSports]

Night with the Utes was fun. Obligatory grain of salt because, as you'll remember, I am a paid shill for the program.

-Gach looks much more comfortable this year. He is still a scorer first/passer second but he made some really nice passes to find open teammates.

-Allen attacked the rim like crazy. He had a decent amount of success, even among the trees.

-The red team started Carlson, Battin, Allen, Gach, and Rylan Jones. If I was a betting man, I would bet on that being your starting 5.

-Rylan Jones probably gets darn near 30 minutes a night this year. His vision and passing were as advertised. Its his defense that surprised me. He played the passing lanes well and got a few deflections off of double teaming a big at the right time.

-Matt Van Komen will have a role on this team. Hes got a ways to go offensively, but he reminds me a lot of Kelley up at OSU.

-Lahat Thioune (pronounced La-hot Toone) is very athletic and long.

-I think Jantunen, Plummer, and Thioune get most of the minutes off the bench. Wenzel maybe gets some filler time here and there. Brenchley may need a year to get into the swing of things. MVK, again, probably has earned a role for himself.

[Scorcho]

Night with the Utes was fun. Obligatory grain of salt because, as you'll remember, I am a paid shill for the program.

-Gach looks much more comfortable this year. He is still a scorer first/passer second but he made some really nice passes to find open teammates.

-Allen attacked the rim like crazy. He had a decent amount of success, even among the trees.

-The red team started Carlson, Battin, Allen, Gach, and Rylan Jones. If I was a betting man, I would bet on that being your starting 5.

-Rylan Jones probably gets darn near 30 minutes a night this year. His vision and passing were as advertised. Its his defense that surprised me. He played the passing lanes well and got a few deflections off of double teaming a big at the right time.

-Matt Van Komen will have a role on this team. Hes got a ways to go offensively, but he reminds me a lot of Kelley up at OSU.

-Lahat Thioune (pronounced La-hot Toone) is very athletic and long.

-I think Jantunen, Plummer, and Thioune get most of the minutes off the bench. Wenzel maybe gets some filler time here and there. Brenchley may need a year to get into the swing of things. MVK, again, probably has earned a role for himself.


Kragthorpe alluded that we were miserable from the newly extended three. I think he tweeted that we missed our first 21 three's. Do we have good long range shooters?

[mUUser]

Night with the Utes was fun. Obligatory grain of salt because, as you'll remember, I am a paid shill for the program.

-Gach looks much more comfortable this year. He is still a scorer first/passer second but he made some really nice passes to find open teammates.

-Allen attacked the rim like crazy. He had a decent amount of success, even among the trees.

-The red team started Carlson, Battin, Allen, Gach, and Rylan Jones. If I was a betting man, I would bet on that being your starting 5.

-Rylan Jones probably gets darn near 30 minutes a night this year. His vision and passing were as advertised. Its his defense that surprised me. He played the passing lanes well and got a few deflections off of double teaming a big at the right time.

-Matt Van Komen will have a role on this team. Hes got a ways to go offensively, but he reminds me a lot of Kelley up at OSU.

-Lahat Thioune (pronounced La-hot Toone) is very athletic and long.

-I think Jantunen, Plummer, and Thioune get most of the minutes off the bench. Wenzel maybe gets some filler time here and there. Brenchley may need a year to get into the swing of things. MVK, again, probably has earned a role for himself.


If Rylan stay healthy, he'll be one of the greats before he's done. His court vision and intelligence is off the charts.

This team can't shoot. At least last night they couldn't throw a rock out a boat and hit the water, although I'm sure they're rusty and could come around. Plummer could be a pleasant surprise from beyond the ark.

[chrisrenrut]

Night with the Utes was fun. Obligatory grain of salt because, as you'll remember, I am a paid shill for the program.

-Gach looks much more comfortable this year. He is still a scorer first/passer second but he made some really nice passes to find open teammates.

-Allen attacked the rim like crazy. He had a decent amount of success, even among the trees.

-The red team started Carlson, Battin, Allen, Gach, and Rylan Jones. If I was a betting man, I would bet on that being your starting 5.

-Rylan Jones probably gets darn near 30 minutes a night this year. His vision and passing were as advertised. Its his defense that surprised me. He played the passing lanes well and got a few deflections off of double teaming a big at the right time.

-Matt Van Komen will have a role on this team. Hes got a ways to go offensively, but he reminds me a lot of Kelley up at OSU.

-Lahat Thioune (pronounced La-hot Toone) is very athletic and long.

-I think Jantunen, Plummer, and Thioune get most of the minutes off the bench. Wenzel maybe gets some filler time here and there. Brenchley may need a year to get into the swing of things. MVK, again, probably has earned a role for himself.

Thanks for the summary. I wasn’t able to make it up unfortunately.

[UtahsMrSports]

Kragthorpe alluded that we were miserable from the newly extended three. I think he tweeted that we missed our first 21 three's. Do we have good long range shooters?

Most of the game, yes, it was brutal. And it wasn't just "good" misses either, there were some badddd misses (oh whoops, that is going to get my paycheck cut........)

There was a stretch in the second half where everyone caught fire. Battin hit a couple. Wenzel hit a couple. Rylan got in on the fun.

[Rocker Ute]

Night with the Utes was fun. Obligatory grain of salt because, as you'll remember, I am a paid shill for the program.



Only a paid shill for the program would admit to being a paid shill for the program. Don't try to deflect it.

[Scorcho]

Utah State ranked #17 in first AP poll

Preseason AP Top 25*1. Michigan State (60)
2. Kentucky (2)
3. Kansas (3)
4. Duke
5. Louisville
6. Florida
7. Maryland
8. Gonzaga
9. North Carolina
10. Villanova
11. Virginia
12. Seton Hall
13. Texas Tech
14. Memphis
15. Oregon
16. Baylor
17. Utah State
18. Ohio State
19. Xavier
20. Saint Mary's (California)
21. Arizona
22. LSU
23. Purdue
24. Auburn
25. VCU

Utah freaking State

[SeattleUte]

Most of the game, yes, it was brutal. And it wasn't just "good" misses either, there were some badddd misses (oh whoops, that is going to get my paycheck cut........)



Why did you leave this part out of your original report, Ash?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8jv1M6Y2g

(I'm Ripley.)

[UtahsMrSports]

Why did you leave this part out of your original report, Ash?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8jv1M6Y2g

(I'm Ripley.)

I'm being paid a lotttt of money to promote the team and coach to a group of 10-15 semi-anonymous people. Why would I include the bad stuff?

[UtahsMrSports]

Kenpom has us 114 right now, 10th in the conference. I think a realistic goal would be 15 wins and keep the overwhelming majority of the top 9 rotation guys

[Scorcho]

Kenpom has us 114 right now, 10th in the conference. I think a realistic goal would be 15 wins and keep the overwhelming majority of the top 9 rotation guys

I see between 5-7 OOC wins. Its going to be rough to find 9 conference wins. I think the Utes will win between 11-13 games.

Hope I'm horribly off in my prediction.

[SoCalPat]

I see between 5-7 OOC wins. Its going to be rough to find 9 conference wins. I think the Utes will win between 11-13 games.

Hope I'm horribly off in my prediction.

Your non-con prediction is depressing, not for it's lack of optimism, but for a greater-than-average possibility that you're right. We have 12 non-conference games (UT-Tyler is an exhibition and not being counted here). For us to go 5-7, the likeliest route would be for us to lose all the name games (UNR, Minnesota, THEM, SDSU, BYU and two at Myrtle Beach). And if we're bad enough to lose all those games, then a game like Weber State in many years becomes a toss-up game for us -- even in SLC.

Even 7-5 probably has us just winning one more in Myrtle Beach and a split of the Minnesota/BYU home games.

I'll edge toward optimism and say we win 7 in the non-con, 8 in league and we are 1-and-done in Vegas. That makes us 15-16 overall, a slight decline from the previous year. I'm not going to pretend for a second just yet as to whether or not that path warrants keeping Larry another year. I think I've been consistent in saying he gets until after the 2020-21 season. But if Harlan wants to make a move, Larry's certainly provided him enough ammunition. Now, if one of those wins is Kentucky ...

[Scorcho]

Your non-con prediction is depressing, not for it's lack of optimism, but for a greater-than-average possibility that you're right. We have 12 non-conference games (UT-Tyler is an exhibition and not being counted here). For us to go 5-7, the likeliest route would be for us to lose all the name games (UNR, Minnesota, THEM, SDSU, BYU and two at Myrtle Beach). And if we're bad enough to lose all those games, then a game like Weber State in many years becomes a toss-up game for us -- even in SLC.

Even 7-5 probably has us just winning one more in Myrtle Beach and a split of the Minnesota/BYU home games.

I'll edge toward optimism and say we win 7 in the non-con, 8 in league and we are 1-and-done in Vegas. That makes us 15-16 overall, a slight decline from the previous year. I'm not going to pretend for a second just yet as to whether or not that path warrants keeping Larry another year. I think I've been consistent in saying he gets until after the 2020-21 season. But if Harlan wants to make a move, Larry's certainly provided him enough ammunition. Now, if one of those wins is Kentucky ...

I assumed we might pull out a game or two this year where we're clearly not favored and conversely drop a game or more we probably should win.

This team is so young and should struggle early. I dont see any true road games wins OOC.

[Utebiquitous]

If this team wants to - and if the coaches want to insist on it - they could really defend well. That will keep them in a lot of games at home and on the road. If it could become a calling card they could surprise some teams and finish above .500 in league play and perhaps get a few wins in the tournament. A man can dream can't he.

[SeattleUte]

If this team wants to - and if the coaches want to insist on it - they could really defend well. That will keep them in a lot of games at home and on the road. If it could become a calling card they could surprise some teams and finish above .500 in league play and perhaps get a few wins in the tournament. A man can dream can't he.

If pigs could fly.

[UtahsMrSports]

Your non-con prediction is depressing, not for it's lack of optimism, but for a greater-than-average possibility that you're right. We have 12 non-conference games (UT-Tyler is an exhibition and not being counted here). For us to go 5-7, the likeliest route would be for us to lose all the name games (UNR, Minnesota, THEM, SDSU, BYU and two at Myrtle Beach). And if we're bad enough to lose all those games, then a game like Weber State in many years becomes a toss-up game for us -- even in SLC.

Even 7-5 probably has us just winning one more in Myrtle Beach and a split of the Minnesota/BYU home games.

I'll edge toward optimism and say we win 7 in the non-con, 8 in league and we are 1-and-done in Vegas. That makes us 15-16 overall, a slight decline from the previous year. I'm not going to pretend for a second just yet as to whether or not that path warrants keeping Larry another year. I think I've been consistent in saying he gets until after the 2020-21 season . But if Harlan wants to make a move, Larry's certainly provided him enough ammunition. Now, if one of those wins is Kentucky ...

I just put this up on twitter, but I thought it was interesting. 247 sports data goes back about 15 years and I think you could argue it has improved with time. But if you ranked the Runnin Ute commitments during that time, then we have the second and third highest rated recruits coming in next year. (There is a lot of interesting stuff in there; namely Delon, Jakob, and Kuz were all laughably underrated). Barring transfers (insert transfer joke/argument here), we will have 6 of the top 9 on the roster next year. If (and I realize that is a big If) Larry can win 13 games or more and manages to keep the overwhelming number of contributors, he will be around for 2020-2021, which could be a really nice year.

[UBlender]

If this team wants to - and if the coaches want to insist on it - they could really defend well. That will keep them in a lot of games at home and on the road. If it could become a calling card they could surprise some teams and finish above .500 in league play and perhaps get a few wins in the tournament. A man can dream can't he.

I think that's the only option if this team wants to be even middle-of-the-PAC competitive. I think this team is going to have a hard time scoring and would have to hope to win a lot of 62-56 type of games. Per SeattleUte, Larry is NOT Rick Majerus so that's probably not happening.

I wasn't able to attend NWTRU because I was busy measuring my manhood (by way of racing homemade wooden cars with my kid) against the other dads in my neighborhood. All of the reports from that night confirmed what I feared: this team doesn't have a lot of shooting or offensive firepower in general.

If Timmy and Gach (our likely top two scorers IMO) average about 30 between them--which would be great progress--I still don't know where we get another 30-40 ppg.

I'll still attend/watch the games and hope these guys prove me wrong, but my heart isn't really in it right now. I just want to fast forward to April/May and see who decides to stick around and hope that Larry can keep enough talented kids to combine with talented incoming recruits and give me some hope for better things in 20-21.

[Scorcho]

my best guess ( the saddest part of this is I don't know how we don't start 0-6 in conference. The 1st half of our conference schedule is definitely more difficult than the last half )

L @ Nevada
W – MS Valley
L – Minnesota
W – Coastal
L- 2nd game of Myrtle Beach Tourney
L – 3rd game of Myrtle Beach Tourney
W – UC Davis
L – BYU
W – Central Arkanasas
W – Weber State
L – Kentucky
L – SDSU

L – OSU
L – Oregon
L - @ Colorado
L - @ UA
L - @ ASU
L – UW
W – WSU
L - @ USC
L - @ UCLA
W – Stanford
W – Cal
L @ OSU
L @ Oregon
W – UCLA
L – USC
L @ Stanford
W- @ Cal
L – Colorado

10 wins, I hope this is the worst case scenario and we exceed that total

[DrumNFeather]

my best guess ( the saddest part of this is I don't know how we don't start 0-6 in conference. The 1st half of our conference schedule is definitely more difficult than the last half )

L @ Nevada
W – MS Valley
L – Minnesota
W – Coastal
L- 2nd game of Myrtle Beach Tourney
L – 3rd game of Myrtle Beach Tourney
W – UC Davis
L – BYU
W – Central Arkanasas
W – Weber State
L – Kentucky
L – SDSU

L – OSU
L – Oregon
L - @ Colorado
L - @ UA
L - @ ASU
L – UW
W – WSU
L - @ USC
L - @ UCLA
W – Stanford
W – Cal
L @ OSU
L @ Oregon
W – UCLA
L – USC
L @ Stanford
W- @ Cal
L – Colorado

10 wins, I hope this is the worst case scenario and we exceed that total


I think we've got a decent shot against Minnesota. They've lost one of their best players for the season and I think they play Butler earlier that week on the road. Call me crazy, but I'll always give us a puncher's chance against Steve Alford as well.

[sancho]

A man can dream can't he.

You dream too small! I'll go ahead and dream of the tournament until reality tells me otherwise. Until I see these guys play, I'm going to assume that Rylan is all-freshman team material, that Timmy has made a sophomore leap, and that it actually made no sense to have Thione on the bench last year. The two RMs don't need any adjustment time, and the Finn is our next Euro-star.

[Mormon Red Death]

You dream too small! I'll go ahead and dream of the tournament until reality tells me otherwise. Until I see these guys play, I'm going to assume that Rylan is all-freshman team material, that Timmy has made a sophomore leap, and that it actually made no sense to have Thione on the bench last year. The two RMs don't need any adjustment time, and the Finn is our next Euro-star.

Amen!

[SoCalPat]

I think that's the only option if this team wants to be even middle-of-the-PAC competitive. I think this team is going to have a hard time scoring and would have to hope to win a lot of 62-56 type of games. Per SeattleUte, Larry is NOT Rick Majerus so that's probably not happening.

I wasn't able to attend NWTRU because I was busy measuring my manhood (by way of racing homemade wooden cars with my kid) against the other dads in my neighborhood. All of the reports from that night confirmed what I feared: this team doesn't have a lot of shooting or offensive firepower in general.

If Timmy and Gach (our likely top two scorers IMO) average about 30 between them--which would be great progress--I still don't know where we get another 30-40 ppg.

I'll still attend/watch the games and hope these guys prove me wrong, but my heart isn't really in it right now. I just want to fast forward to April/May and see who decides to stick around and hope that Larry can keep enough talented kids to combine with talented incoming recruits and give me some hope for better things in 20-21.

The problem with your assessment in your opening paragraph is that this team sounds a lot like what we had to do to win under Larry in Year 2.

[UBlender]

The problem with your assessment in your opening paragraph is that this team sounds a lot like what we had to do to win under Larry in Year 2.

Well, I am on record as saying that this will be our roughest season since before Delon Wright showed up, so that sounds about right. I see this team winning somewhere in the range of 12-15 games, hoping they prove me wrong.

[SoCalPat]

Well, I am on record as saying that this will be our roughest season since before Delon Wright showed up, so that sounds about right. I see this team winning somewhere in the range of 12-15 games, hoping they prove me wrong.

He's gotta overdeliver then this year. There are a lot of reasons that could be legitimate behind a poor record. Larry doesn't get a pass for any of them unless he's willing to restructure his contract. This is a mess of largely his own making -- he fully owns it this year.

Without some real highlights this year (beating UK and/or BYU, making a deep run in Vegas, getting to the NIT), simply making it to the NCAAs in 2020-21 just isn't going to cut it. He needs to win a game or two. His goodwill tank is about empty and the less he has to fill next season, the more likely it is he gets to coach the penultimate year of his contract.

[UBlender]

He's gotta overdeliver then this year. There are a lot of reasons that could be legitimate behind a poor record. Larry doesn't get a pass for any of them unless he's willing to restructure his contract. This is a mess of largely his own making -- he fully owns it this year.

Without some real highlights this year (beating UK and/or BYU, making a deep run in Vegas, getting to the NIT), simply making it to the NCAAs in 2020-21 just isn't going to cut it. He needs to win a game or two. His goodwill tank is about empty and the less he has to fill next season, the more likely it is he gets to coach the penultimate year of his contract.

Agreed on all counts.

[UTEopia]

He's gotta overdeliver then this year. There are a lot of reasons that could be legitimate behind a poor record. Larry doesn't get a pass for any of them unless he's willing to restructure his contract. This is a mess of largely his own making -- he fully owns it this year.

Without some real highlights this year (beating UK and/or BYU, making a deep run in Vegas, getting to the NIT), simply making it to the NCAAs in 2020-21 just isn't going to cut it. He needs to win a game or two. His goodwill tank is about empty and the less he has to fill next season, the more likely it is he gets to coach the penultimate year of his contract.

I could care less what his contract is and restructuring it isn't going to make me more or less inclined to accept where this program is.

[sancho]

Our secret scrimmage was Boise St, right? Oregon is destroying them right now.

Also, our next opponent, Minnesota, lost to Oklahoma today.

[DrumNFeather]

Our secret scrimmage was Boise St, right? Oregon is destroying them right now.

Also, our next opponent, Minnesota, lost to Oklahoma today.

Minnesota also gets Butler before we play them on Friday, so we'll be the third of a three game roadie for them. They then go home for four games that includes DePaul and Clemson, so hopefully they'll build their resume back up a little and stay as a top 100 game for us (and hopefully top 100 win!).

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